Distasteful vegan TV ad

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andybird123 said:
I don't know how you be so obtuse, that was obviously not the point of my post.

Car, holidays, telling people what to eat and then posting hundreds of times that it's better for the environment = hypocrite. Diet becomes irrelevant when the rest of your lifestyle craps all over the environment to the tune of at least 8 times worse.

Same thing as telling people not to eat meat, making the environment argument and then still eating out of season fruit avacados, products rammed with palm oil etc. Like you don't even get to make that argument.

It's like trying to argue you're a good person because you only **** in my cornflakes a little bit.
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Doing one thing and not another is no reason for someone to say "may as well do nothing"
 
andybird123 said:
Yes, according to the links YOU posted
Cars are not a necessity, they are a convenience. I don't have a car, which according to your data saves me damaging the environment to the tune of 8 times the amount of meat I eat.

You've decided car driving is ok even though it's 8 times more damaging than eating meat, do you not see how hypocritical that is?

Equally I'm not trolling the motors section telling everyone they are evil for owning a car.

And then you add a foreign holiday on top and your lifestyle is about 10 times more damaging than mine, but here you are posting ad nauseam that your diet is better for the environment. It's literally lala land your living in.

You won't even answer straight questions about what exactly your vegan diet consists of, because if it consists of imported fruit and nuts and fake meat you aren't even saving as much as you claim, you could even be generating more co2 and using more water than a local meat and veg diet. Food miles are actually a really key figure when it comes to these claims. Actually don't bother because no doubt you'll now claim you don't eat any of the things that are imported now.

And your only excuse is "but I'm not an environmentalist", so the pages and pages of "ooh look at me I'm a vegan, I'm better for the environment" is just pointless virtue signalling.
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Im only responding because you're making claims without any citation whatsoever that support your position.

Youre not listening, its not me that saying eating meat is bad for the environment, its what the studies and data says.

Plant based diets are better for the environment, this is like arguing with a flat earther., but then what do I expect from someone who claims we're "carnivores" xD
 
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moon man said:
Wow that's great,get impregnated against your will, have your male offspring killed off , be a milk vending machine for humans until your lame and then when your too old get killed yourself as the milk isn't enough they want your dead flesh as well.
On the plus side you get a nice brush......
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Utter clowns aren't they, how about posting the part where theyre forced into a box and have a bolt fired into their heads?

Or when their babies are taken away, or when the male calfs are killed after a few days.... or when they're branded, or de horned... Yea didnt think so.
 
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Johno please? said:
Im only responding because you're making claims without any citation whatsoever that support your position.

Youre not listening, its not me that saying eating meat is bad for the environment, its what the studies and data says.

Plant based diets are better for the environment, this is like arguing with a flat earther., but then what do I expect from someone who claims we're "carnivores" xD
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What is better for the environment?
 
SexyGreyFox said:
I'm afraid Johnno won't see this, he will have made choices in his head that these other things are OK.
I love Greta and her 'listen to the experts' because I really believe in what she is saying however when she's holding a mobile phone you think 'Hmm OK'.
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Like i said, nirvana fallacy, we cant live without causing some harm, im not telling people not to fly or drive or buy electronics.
 
XeNoN89 said:
It's worse than that, considering they use basically slave labour to mine the materials to make those phones
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Working in slave labour is worse than being stabbed is it? Im not defending it, I just don't think its comparable to the animal suffering we cause.

Also don't you think in modern society a phone is essential, I cant work without one at the moment.

An analogy perhaps.

"if you are a lifeguard and see a group of people drowning, should you not bother to jump in and save any because you can't save them all? This is what you're doing when you continue to fund animal oppression simply because you can't stop all oppression"
 
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Johno please? said:
Being a slave is worse than being stabbed is it? Im not defending it, I just don't think its comparable to the animal suffering we cause.

Also don't you think in modern society a phone is essential, I cant work without one at the moment.

An analogy perhaps.

"if you are a lifeguard and see a group of people drowning, should you not bother to jump in and save any because you can't save them all? This is what you're doing when you continue to fund animal oppression simply because you can't stop all oppression"
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Environmental damage we cause as humans decimates entire habits and has caused the extinction of several species in recent history.

You may be willing to "hand-wave away" your impact on the environment and the impact that has on wildlife specifies, but that is pure ignorance on your part.

The extraction of precious / heavy metals for production of many of the things you use on a daily basis DIRECTLY cause animal suffering, wipe out entire habits and extinct species.

Why do you think YOUR harm and pollution is acceptable, but other people's is not?
 
Johno please? said:
Working in slave labour is worse than being stabbed is it? Im not defending it, I just don't think its comparable to the animal suffering we cause.

Also don't you think in modern society a phone is essential, I cant work without one at the moment.

An analogy perhaps.

"if you are a lifeguard and see a group of people drowning, should you not bother to jump in and save any because you can't save them all? This is what you're doing when you continue to fund animal oppression simply because you can't stop all oppression"
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How did a lifeguard get involved in this discussion?
Also a phone is not an essential thing. Clothing, food and shelter are
 
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moon man said:
Wow that's great,get impregnated against your will, have your male offspring killed off , be a milk vending machine for humans until your lame and then when your too old get killed yourself as the milk isn't enough they want your dead flesh as well.
On the plus side you get a nice brush......
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just like the government with us then ?? used abused thrown to the side of the road ..
 
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