Distasteful vegan TV ad

[Richie]

public info is all dood

The World Health Organization has classified processed meats including ham, bacon, salami and frankfurts as a Group 1 carcinogen (known to cause cancer) which means that there's strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer. Eating processed meat increases your risk of bowel and stomach cancer.

Then eat unprocessed meat?

Processed Vegan food is just as bad so not sure what your point is:

Although there is ongoing research, studies have suggested that diets high in processed and ultra-processed foods, whether vegan or non-vegan, can be linked to higher rates of colon cancer.

Source

The problem with these types of foods, says Giles, is that they are stripped of protein and fibre. And because they’re so ultra-processed they lack flavour, so you have to create it by adding salt, sugar and fat. “So ultra-processed foods tend to be low in protein and fibre, and high in salt sugar and fat.

Ultra-processed vegan and vegetarian foods: are they as healthy as they look?



All heavily processed food is bad... mmkay?

 

[Diddums]

 

[moon man]

Man we’re all going to die one way or another, veganism won’t save you, won’t save the cow either.

i know i stir the pot a little but seriously my 2 hours in meat production really affected me and had a big impact on my mental health (yeah i know boo hoo big baby) i would just ask anybody to just re-evaluate have a look at what's going on and take it from there but it didn't change me for, what, 40 years, so i don't know (edit incorrect i went along with eating meat until that job) ,anyway i can only do this for myself, what do i miss ? defiantly not meat ,the smell of fish and chips maybe but i can replicate with fake fish and balsamic vinegar and salt , cheese ah maybe, its ok on pizza but to find some worthy of a cracker ,dunno
why do vegan foods replicate meat ? to get the meat eaters money i suppose . if i was to fail what would it be ? yes as said fish and chips but i think the fleshiness of fish would disagree with me (no it wouldn't ) so a collup (is this even a thing, fried potato) would be ok

 

[SexyGreyFox]

The main thing that stops me being vegan is vegans.

This is why I'm so proud of my 36 year old daughter who has been vegan since she was 20.
She gets on with it and doesn't play the holier than thou card.
She's never preached to anybody including boyfriends, husband or friends but obviously they will know she is Vegan when they go for a meal.
This actually makes them ask her questions but funnily enough she will tell you the horrors of the wildlife that is killed making her Vegan food, the billions of small animals and insects slaughtered in the name of Vegan consumption.
She'll tell you that she has no idea why people will put cows, sheep, pigs etc above all smaller animals.

In the words of The Sex Pistols - No One Is Innocent.

 

[Johno please?]

The thing is these cows will be chillin in the field and then one day they might be sent off to slaughter, they don't know anything about it as far as I can see.

I suggest you watch cows being slaughtered then, some of them figure out something is wrong and try to escape, its a pretty grim watch.

I thought the feelings of them being taken passed pretty quickly and they are happy in the herd?

As for the male dairy calves, in theory there should less of them over the next few years as more farmers use sexed semen. For the ones that are born male maybe humans should be eating more veal instead of beef so they are not seen as surplus to requirements immediately.

I guess its good to see something is at least being attempted to improve things.

They can pine for days, I grew up next door to a dairy farm and never realised why I could hear distressed cows mooing at night.

I dont think eating baby animals is the solution, just stop drinking milk that isnt meant for humans would be a better idea.

 

[Johno please?]

This is why I'm so proud of my 36 year old daughter who has been vegan since she was 20.
She gets on with it and doesn't play the holier than thou card.
She's never preached to anybody including boyfriends, husband or friends but obviously they will know she is Vegan when they go for a meal.
This actually makes them ask her questions but funnily enough she will tell you the horrors of the wildlife that is killed making her Vegan food, the billions of small animals and insects slaughtered in the name of Vegan consumption.
She'll tell you that she has no idea why people will put cows, sheep, pigs etc above all smaller animals.

In the words of The Sex Pistols - No One Is Innocent.

So she doesn't tell people about the horrors of animal agriculture, but she will use an anti vegan argument of "crop deaths tho"

Most crops are grown to feed the 80 billion land animals we raise and kill, so by going vegan youre responsible for less "small animals an insects" deaths.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

So she doesn't tell people about the horrors of animal agriculture,

Yes she will if they ask but she will also put the other side forward.
Like I say, she isn't being 'holier than thou' like you are, she knows animals are slaughtered for her food, she also knows kids are basically used as slaves so she can have her latest iPhone.
She doesn't shove it down peoples throats like people like you do.

 

[MattTheTall77]

This is why I'm so proud of my 36 year old daughter who has been vegan since she was 20.
She gets on with it and doesn't play the holier than thou card.
She's never preached to anybody including boyfriends, husband or friends but obviously they will know she is Vegan when they go for a meal.
This actually makes them ask her questions but funnily enough she will tell you the horrors of the wildlife that is killed making her Vegan food, the billions of small animals and insects slaughtered in the name of Vegan consumption.
She'll tell you that she has no idea why people will put cows, sheep, pigs etc above all smaller animals.

In the words of The Sex Pistols - No One Is Innocent.

I’m glad your daughter values all life equally. I’m always moving spiders outside, catching flies and releasing them, moving snails and worms off paths, fishing flies out of water so they don’t drown, rescuing injured birds, jumped into water a few times to rescue swans and ducks, which I get told off for by my partner as I can’t swim, not the best thing for me to do!

I wish I could have no impact, as you say, no one is innocent. I just try to make a difference to those lives I can save. Various versions of the following about but stuck with me, saving one life won’t change the world, but it will change the world for that one animal. Gives me comfort to think something is alive because I took time to save them.

 

[Johno please?]

Yes she will if they ask but she will also put the other side forward.
Like I say, she isn't being 'holier than thou' like you are, she knows animals are slaughtered for her food, she also knows kids are basically used as slaves so she can have her latest iPhone.
She doesn't shove it down peoples throats like people like you do.

So she'll provide counter arguments to her own beliefs, sounds a bit counter intuitive.

When you buy meat, dairy, eggs, wool, leather etc you force your "choice" onto others, so im looking at it from the victims perspective. Im not knocking on peoples doors, im talking about it online, get some perspective perhaps.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I’m glad your daughter values all life equally. I’m always moving spiders outside, catching flies and releasing them, moving snails and worms off paths, fishing flies out of water so they don’t drown, rescuing injured birds, jumped into water a few times to rescue swans and ducks, which I get told off for by my partner as I can’t swim, not the best thing for me to do!

I wish I could have no impact, as you say, no one is innocent. I just try to make a difference to those lives I can save. Various versions of the following about but stuck with me, saving one life won’t change the world, but it will change the world for that one animal. Gives me comfort to think something is alive because I took time to save them.

The thing is what most Vegans don't get is that virtually every food people put in their gobs some life has died for it, even a field full of sprouts has had millions of insects and small animals slaughtered and it all depends where you put these animals on the most important list.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

So she'll provide counter arguments to her own beliefs,

What beliefs?
She is a vegan not an extremist, she chooses that food to eat.

https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism
Definition of veganism

The Vegan Society
https://www.vegansociety.com › go-vegan › definition...

In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." There are many ways to embrace vegan living.

 

[Johno please?]

What beliefs?
She is a vegan not an extremist, she chooses that food to eat.

https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism
Definition of veganism

The Vegan Society
https://www.vegansociety.com › go-vegan › definition...

In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." There are many ways to embrace vegan living.

Are you suggesting im an extremist because i speak up for animals?

Being vegan is a belief right, its not a diet.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Being vegan is a belief right, its not a diet.

You are wrong, it can be a belief but it can also be a diet -

The vegan diet

Find out how to be healthy on a vegan diet, including vegan sources of calcium, vitamin D, vitamin B12 and iron.

www.nhs.uk

Sadly my other daughter might have to go on it.
My eldest doesn't want to eat animals now but my youngest does.

 

[Johno please?]

You are wrong, it can be a belief but it can also be a diet -

The vegan diet

Find out how to be healthy on a vegan diet, including vegan sources of calcium, vitamin D, vitamin B12 and iron.

www.nhs.uk

Sadly my other daughter might have to go on it.
My eldest doesn't want to eat animals now but my youngest does.

Yea sure, it may sound pedantic but generally thats referred to as "plant based diet" or if someones gone plant based for their health they might still wear leather and wool etc.

 

[MattTheTall77]

The thing is what most Vegans don't get is that virtually every food people put in their gobs some life has died for it, even a field full of sprouts has had millions of insects and small animals slaughtered and it all depends where you put these animals on the most important list.

I suppose all any of us can do is try to minimise harm as best we can.

Value of life is sadly measured by size by most people, people kill flies and insects without a thought but would hesitate to kill a larger animal. I now try to value all.

Insects die for crops for our food and animals. I’m not sure if any solution will ever be found, perhaps if there was less industrialisation of farming with machinery and sprays? But not really an option given population and costs. Maybe vertical growing pods or other controlled environments, although not sure that will ever be feasible.

For me, the saddest part is farmed animals are born to die and have no chance to live beyond their planned end.

Basically, I’m just sad anything has to die, either by our impact or just age, and wish the world was different for them and us.

 

[Iamzod]

Basically, I’m just sad anything has to die, either by our impact or just age, and wish the world was different for them and us.

That's just nature, whether we eat them or they are gutted alive/ripped apart by a predator, something gotta die in the food chain.

 

[Crizzy]

The thing is what most Vegans don't get is that virtually every food people put in their gobs some life has died for it, even a field full of sprouts has had millions of insects and small animals slaughtered and it all depends where you put these animals on the most important list.

If you're concerned about small animals and insects getting killed in fields, choosing a plant-based diet is still the more ethical choice. This is because it takes fewer crops to make plant-based food directly for humans compared to the large amount needed to feed animals, which give back only a small amount of food in return.

Veganism is about reducing as much harm as possible, it's not about completely avoiding harm as that would be impossible. We can only do our best within the limits of what's available to us.

 

[Crizzy]

That's just nature, whether we eat them or they are gutted alive/ripped apart by a predator, something gotta die in the food chain.

It's fine in nature, but in today's modern society we have the moral agency to say 'no' if it disagrees with our values, and the option to choose an alternative.

 

[MattTheTall77]

That's just nature, whether we eat them or they are gutted alive/ripped apart by a predator, something gotta die in the food chain.

We all have the same end eventually, just makes me sad to give life to something knowing it has no other chance or fate than taken away soon after.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

If you're concerned about small animals and insects getting killed in fields, choosing a plant-based diet is still the more ethical choice. This is because it takes fewer crops to make plant-based food directly for humans compared to the large amount needed to feed animals, which give back only a small amount of food in return.

Veganism is about reducing as much harm as possible, it's not about completely avoiding harm as that would be impossible. We can only do our best within the limits of what's available to us.

That's like saying Fred West is a better serial killer than Peter Sutcliffe because he didn't murder as many people