Do AMD provide any benefit to the retail GPU segment.

Tinek · 4 May 2023 at 02:05

K1LaW8tt5 said:
Nothing, just upgrade every 4 or 6 years instead of every 2. If your GPU is broke then obviously you need to buy something. If if it's not broke I imagine it still plays games at reasonable quality settings. It's the fomo of RT and upscaling,fg that seems to drive people into think they NEED an upgrade

But does it really? Both AMD and Nvidia do not look that good on financial report. Steam survey shows that majority of people still sit on old Pascal cards (1060 forever alive it seems), and also that most played games do not even have any RT nor require very strong GPU. Consumers at large seem to have already shown the finger to both vendors. Said vendors can't sell many of their GPUs so instead of selling more for less they decided to hike prices and sell much less for much more and count on people getting used to these high prices for they future. Hopefully people won't get used to these and will still largely show the finger.

Zarax · 4 May 2023 at 05:29

Ironically high GPU prices means AMD wins by default. How?

- They own console
- APUs are mostly their game
- They actually decide what the minimum requirements are as developers cannot afford to ignore Valve (Steam Deck)

Guess what, games are still playable on lower settings and most of us grew up playing with stuff looking much worse than that and we still had tons of fun.
Would I like prettier graphics? Of course! Do I need it? No way!

If there was an easy way for flat screens to better emulate CRT fuzziness I'd be probably be still playing DOS games.

humbug · 4 May 2023 at 06:54

Zarax said:
Ironically high GPU prices means AMD wins by default. How?

- They own console
- APUs are mostly their game
- They actually decide what the minimum requirements are as developers cannot afford to ignore Valve (Steam Deck)

humbug said:
GPU's getting too expensive?

Whatever happens if you want to keep playing the latest games you will buy our GPU's anyway, we have the market cornered, now what?

AMD have already won, Its Nvidia's job to keep you PCMR, that is the only way they can sell you their products.

If you're getting priced out of PCMR then what do you do? You buy an AMD game console.

This might shock you.

AMD just published their Q1 2023 financial results.
Gaming revenue was $1.8 Billion. that's down 6% on last year

Nvidia have yet to publish theirs, but Q4 2022 Nvidia's Gaming revenue was $1.83 Billion, that's expected to be down this quarter, by a larger percentage than AMD's who despite a seizable drop in dGPU revenue their custom APU business is still growing at a substantial rate, and is set to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

So whose really winning here? Its not Nvidia.

Calin Banc · 4 May 2023 at 07:05

Our pockets aren't winning also, so I don't care that AMD or nVIDIA wins. Why should I? I think is quite the contrary, we're losing.

humbug · 4 May 2023 at 07:39

Calin Banc said:
Our pockets aren't winning also, so I don't care that AMD or nVIDIA wins. Why should I? I think is quite the contrary, we're losing.

Its an impossible conundrum.

No one buys AMD dGPU's because Nvidia better, Nvidia know this so they make you pay for it.

Tech journalists say they don't like this situation, while at the same time adding to that ^^^^ problem, exactly as they have been doing for the last two decades, when it comes to AMD vs Nvidia they are Einstein's definition of insane.

When they thought Intel might save the day. they had a brief moment of clarity, they pushed Intel's GPU's very hard, for a brief couple of weeks, even glossing over some of the very real problems with them.

They failed, but only because people didn't want to pay RTX 3060Ti money for GPU's that struggled to keep up with RX 6600XT's, and it was unproven hardware with obvious and serious problems.

AMD are an established and trusted vendor, i'm not talking about PCMR, AMD are in everything, Samsung phones, cars, all the consoles, the Mars Rover, Airbus planes, medical equipment, military equipment. the worlds most powerful super computer is an all AMD system, not just AMD CPU's, it stuffed with Radeon Instinct GPU's, not Quadro's.

All these people trust AMD. PCMR is an outlier, i would argue tech jurnalisum spent the last 15 years making it that, and they are still at it, they are failing us.

Bencher · 4 May 2023 at 08:03

humbug said:
Do things like better RT and slightly better upscaling tech have an added monetary value? If so how much?

RT is okay. FG is fine but I mostly don't use it even on supported games.

But DLSS. Oh boy. I'm never buying an AMD card, even if it's 1/10th the cost of nvidia, until they bring FSR up to the DLSS standard. It's just a gamechanger. It makes slower / cheaper nvidia cards have better image quality than much more expensive amd cards. It's just an insane feature.

humbug · 4 May 2023 at 08:15

Bencher said:
RT is okay. FG is fine but I mostly don't use it even on supported games.

But DLSS. Oh boy. I'm never buying an AMD card, even if it's 1/10th the cost of nvidia, until they bring FSR up to the DLSS standard. It's just a gamechanger. It makes slower / cheaper nvidia cards have better image quality than much more expensive amd cards. It's just an insane feature.

We know Bencher, you've made that very clear.

I take it you have a 4090? how much are you willing to pay for DLSS at the ##90 class? £2000, £3000, £4000, £8000?

Bencher · 4 May 2023 at 08:27

humbug said:
We know Bencher, you've made that very clear.

I take it you have a 4090? how much are you willing to pay for DLSS at the ##90 class? £2000, £3000, £4000, £8000?

I had a 3090 and now a 4090.

If there are 2 absolutely identical gpus (don't care about the brand), one at 2k without dlss and the other one at 2.5k with dlss, I'd take the plunge.

Or to put it a different way, I'd only buy a non dlss card if it was at least 30% faster so I could make the difference with raw performance (using upscaling or what have you).

Calin Banc · 4 May 2023 at 08:34

humbug said:
Its an impossible conundrum.

No one buys AMD dGPU's because Nvidia better, Nvidia know this so they make you pay for it.

Tech journalists say they don't like this situation, while at the same time adding to that ^^^^ problem, exactly as they have been doing for the last two decades, when it comes to AMD vs Nvidia they are Einstein's definition of insane.

When they thought Intel might save the day. they had a brief moment of clarity, they pushed Intel's GPU's very hard, for a brief couple of weeks, even glossing over some of the very real problems with them.

They failed, but only because people didn't want to pay RTX 3060Ti money for GPU's that struggled to keep up with RX 6600XT's, and it was unproven hardware with obvious and serious problems.

AMD are an established and trusted vendor, i'm not talking about PCMR, AMD are in everything, Samsung phones, cars, all the consoles, the Mars Rover, Airbus planes, medical equipment, military equipment. the worlds most powerful super computer is an all AMD system, not just AMD CPU's, it stuffed with Radeon Instinct GPU's, not Quadro's.

All these people trust AMD. PCMR is an outlier, i would argue tech jurnalisum spent the last 15 years making it that, and they are still at it, they are failing us.

It wasn't that different whent it came to CPUs and yet they've overturned the situation nicely.

Bencher · 4 May 2023 at 08:38

Calin Banc said:
It wasn't that different whent it came to CPUs and yet they've overturned the situation nicely.

And it wasn't that hard either, they just offered more performance for less money. Who would have thought, right?

Me, the premiere intel fanboy (or so they say) bought 3 zen cpus in 3 generations. I stopped at zen 3 of course, cause they started their shaenanigans, but until that point, they had me.

humbug · 4 May 2023 at 08:48

Bencher said:
And it wasn't that hard either, they just offered more performance for less money. Who would have thought, right?

Me, the premiere intel fanboy (or so they say) bought 3 zen cpus in 3 generations. I stopped at zen 3 of course, cause they started their shaenanigans, but until that point, they had me.

RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

I have tried to help you understand that gpus use this thing called electricity. I even gave you a link to a video to help you understand. I will link it again, https://youtu.be/DNX6fSeYYT8 If you don't understand the issue of power use by a gpu after watching the video I suggest that you drop...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Read that ^^^ post 3,202

Man-In-A-Teapot · 4 May 2023 at 08:52

Bencher said:
shaenanigans

is that different from shenanigans?

Bencher · 4 May 2023 at 08:53

humbug said:
RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

I have tried to help you understand that gpus use this thing called electricity. I even gave you a link to a video to help you understand. I will link it again, https://youtu.be/DNX6fSeYYT8 If you don't understand the issue of power use by a gpu after watching the video I suggest that you drop...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Read that ^^^ post 3,202

You are talking about 10 years ago. Not many enthusiasts, not many forums, not so many tech literate people. It's just not the same. I was a loyal ATI customer back then btw

humbug · 4 May 2023 at 08:55

Bencher said:
You are talking about 10 years ago. Not many enthusiasts, not many forums, not so many tech literate people. It's just not the same. I was a loyal ATI customer back then btw

Bencher said:
Oh boy. I'm never buying an AMD card, even if it's 1/10th the cost of nvidia,

Bencher · 4 May 2023 at 08:58

That's literally quoting out of context. You basically cut the sentence in half. That's why people call you an amd defender. Cause you can't argue against what people are actually saying, you have to strawman them. Whatever it's a waste of time

Zarax · 4 May 2023 at 08:58

Bencher said:
You are talking about 10 years ago. Not many enthusiasts, not many forums, not so many tech literate people. It's just not the same. I was a loyal ATI customer back then btw

Make that 20 and I might agree, although I remember discussing about different video card (they weren't called GPU yet) performance in the late 20th century.

humbug · 4 May 2023 at 09:09

Bencher said:
That's literally quoting out of context. You basically cut the sentence in half. That's why people call you an amd defender. Cause you can't argue against what people are actually saying, you have to strawman them. Whatever it's a waste of time

Its a chicken and an egg thing, weather it was 10 years or 20 years ago it is their experience, as a result of that now they don't have to care, for gaming they are getting to a level where they are sitting prettier than Nvidia, because they cut PCMR out of the equation.

Its not up to AMD to make us want their cards, they already know we don't, if we want things to be competitive then its up to us to prove we don't want that just to buy cheaper Nvidia GPU's, stuff that i'll just slot in 10% below Nvidia's insane prices and if it all gets too much for you.... then you will buy our GPU's without even realising it most of the time.

Get it?

We have to prove there is real money for AMD in PCMR, then they might invest the Billions in making better features.

Bencher · 4 May 2023 at 09:13

humbug said:
Its a chicken and an egg thing, weather it was 10 years or 20 years ago it is their experience, as a result of that now they don't have to care, for gaming they are getting to a level where they are sitting prettier than Nvidia, because they cut PCMR out of the equation.

Its not up to AMD to make us want their cards, they already know we don't, if we want things to be competitive then its up to us to prove we don't want that just to buy cheaper Nvidia GPU's, stuff that i'll just slot in 10% below Nvidia's insane prices and if it all gets too much for you.... then you will buy our GPU's without even realising it most of the time.

Get it?

We have to prove there is real money for AMD in PCMR, then they might invest the Billions in making better features.

Really? It's not up to AMD to make me want their cards, it's up to me to make amd want my money? Lolnoty. If amd doesn't want to compete, then so be it, not my problem.

Calin Banc · 4 May 2023 at 09:16

humbug said:
RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

I have tried to help you understand that gpus use this thing called electricity. I even gave you a link to a video to help you understand. I will link it again, https://youtu.be/DNX6fSeYYT8 If you don't understand the issue of power use by a gpu after watching the video I suggest that you drop...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Read that ^^^ post 3,202

Just like with Ryzen, AMD needs generation after generation of good, reasonably priced products. RDNA2 was decent, but lacked FSR to have the leverage covered against DLSS and perhaps a bit better priced (of course, it didn't matter since mining).

RDNA3 wasn't good - 7900xtx looked decent only because 4080 was badly priced and 7900xt was... also badly priced.

Going back @CAT-THE-FIFTH wrote plenty about their not so great track history of doing nvidia type of behavior which can't bring you sympathy points. You can't win internet, brand/marketing points by such actions, you can't truly expect to win against nvidia acting like this.

Raelgun · 4 May 2023 at 09:19

Bencher said:
RT is okay. FG is fine but I mostly don't use it even on supported games.

But DLSS. Oh boy. I'm never buying an AMD card, even if it's 1/10th the cost of nvidia, until they bring FSR up to the DLSS standard. It's just a gamechanger. It makes slower / cheaper nvidia cards have better image quality than much more expensive amd cards. It's just an insane feature.

Which is strange as the biggest game on pc doesn't have dlss