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Poll: Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

  • Yes, Vega 7nm will be competitive

    Votes: 21 9.9%

  • Yes, but we will have to wait until Navi

    Votes: 55 25.8%

  • Yes, but it's going to be at least 3 "generations" of GPU

    Votes: 47 22.1%

  • No, NVIDIA have too much of a lead to overcome

    Votes: 74 34.7%

  • No, Intel's GPUs will be a significant threat when released

    Votes: 16 7.5%
  • Total voters
    213
  • Poll closed .
Davedree said:
Respinning Fury III on a 7nm process is not the answer. Getting past the 4 geometry wide front end is their next solution.
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If they can get that chip clocking at at least 2.5GHz, preferably 3GHz, why not? :D
But they for sure need to target GTX 1080TI +70% more performance on a 500 sq.mm 7nm chip.
 
Davedree said:
Respinning Fury III on a 7nm process is not the answer. Getting past the 4 geometry wide front end is their next solution.
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unfortunately, Navi just looks to be more of the same. Although there was rumors of a 12nm respin of Polaris and some renaming going on so what was going to be navi might get named something else.

7nm would be a great time to jump to a whole new architecture. The extra transistor budget is really required, and even if the first iteration is not well optimized the node shrink itslef will see a large performance gain. 7nm will be around a long time, but with several evolutions which can be used to refine a new architecture
 
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I recommend people read the subsection rules, petty arguing and childish comments are not going to be tolerated. Access will be removed.
 
D.P. said:
unfortunately, Navi just looks to be more of the same. Although there was rumors of a 12nm respin of Polaris and some renaming going on so what was going to be navi might get named something else.

7nm would be a great time to jump to a whole new architecture. The extra transistor budget is really required, and even if the first iteration is not well optimized the node shrink itslef will see a large performance gain. 7nm will be around a long time, but with several evolutions which can be used to refine a new architecture
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I'm surprised at a 12nm spin of Polaris over a 7nm spin of Vega 10 if I'm honest (assuming the rumour has weight). Vega 20 is on 7nm, Navi will be on 7nm, yet resources to do a respin are put towards Polaris on 12nm? Odd. Plus there's now also a rumour that Vega 20 is coming to gaming cards at the turn of the year. THAT would explain no 7nm Vega 10 I guess.

Ah well, only 6 more months to see what happens, not that I have the cash to actually buy anything these days :D
 
D.P. said:
This is just more BS, because the simple fact is Nvidia is along way ahead so whatever AMD does such as lowering margins or increasubg voltage and clocks, Nvidia can do the same.

There is a size.limkt for a commercialy via me GPU, and a physical limit. Same with power. If you ahve to produce a GPU that is far bigger or power hi Gary then your technology is a long way behind. It is relatively trivial to scale upwards in siS to gain performance, it is much harder to gain performance within the same transistor cpubtbor die size.

And the die size is of critical importance to the viavilvia of the GPU. Nvidia make far more profit per GPU sold because smaller dies have far higher yields and more GPUs per wafer - costs increase at least quadraticly with die size.

If Nvidia ever felt threatened they could start a price war and crush AMD right now.
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I was saying this Day one when Ngreedia went with this GPP.
Amd is LUCKY they have not went price drop way. We all know (I hope) That Nvidias cards are CHEAPER to produce. They could Uncercut AMD on all gpu Tiers so much they would just have to sell cards at loss and NV would still make profit !!!
 
Zeed said:
I was saying this Day one when Ngreedia went with this GPP.
Amd is LUCKY they have not went price drop way. We all know (I hope) That Nvidias cards are CHEAPER to produce. They could Uncercut AMD on all gpu Tiers so much they would just have to sell cards at loss and NV would still make profit !!!
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Exactly, if Nvidia really wanted to do massive damage to AMD they could sell the 1080ti cheaper than Vega64 and still make a reasonable profit. They don't because a company needs to make a profit to exist, continue R&D. It also means the AIbs are amking a larger than normal profit, which keeps them happy
 
D.P. said:
Exactly, if Nvidia really wanted to do massive damage to AMD they could sell the 1080ti cheaper than Vega64 and still make a reasonable profit. They don't because a company needs to make a profit to exist, continue R&D. It also means the AIbs are amking a larger than normal profit, which keeps them happy
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Image that
Ti below Vega 64
1080 below Vega 56
1070 at 580
1060 for 180 :D
GG AMD
 
D.P. said:
Exactly, if Nvidia really wanted to do massive damage to AMD they could sell the 1080ti cheaper than Vega64 and still make a reasonable profit. They don't because a company needs to make a profit to exist, continue R&D. It also means the AIbs are amking a larger than normal profit, which keeps them happy
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Sure, then you will all have to buy Gsync (fake) HDR 27" monitors for £2000+ that cannot be mounted because of the Nvidia gsync module requiring a fan.

While with Freesync we can buy right now the Philips 43" 436M6VBPAB 4K 60hz, Vesa HDR1000, Freesync monitor for £700.
 
Zeed said:
I was saying this Day one when Ngreedia went with this GPP.
Amd is LUCKY they have not went price drop way. We all know (I hope) That Nvidias cards are CHEAPER to produce. They could Uncercut AMD on all gpu Tiers so much they would just have to sell cards at loss and NV would still make profit !!!
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D.P. said:
Exactly, if Nvidia really wanted to do massive damage to AMD they could sell the 1080ti cheaper than Vega64 and still make a reasonable profit. They don't because a company needs to make a profit to exist, continue R&D. It also means the AIbs are amking a larger than normal profit, which keeps them happy
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nvidia profits are bigger then AIB , each card is a single digit profit for AIB . Specially FE/Vega reference design were AIB have to buy the card off Nvidia/AMD - leading to ASUS not selling Vega blowers due to being asked to take a profit cut to keep pricing low against Nvidia .

my fear and ask any AIB off the record, when new cards are launched, the window between reference design and custom PCB is increased .. Vega's were quite a long time and got away with it, Nvidia might of taken note of this :(

and hopefully AMD release 12nm Polaris - doesn't have to break records but will still sell, even if only to OEM!
 
AMD should just stick to the £300/400 market. What's the point in paying 1080 Ti money when you know fine well devs/publishers don't take advantage of the hardware. It's just a waste of cash to play souped up console ports imo . It's one of the reasons i don't and probably never will go above £300 for a GPU.
 
4K8KW10 said:
Well, in the same way like all previous cards - HD 3870 X2, HD 4870 X2, HD 5970, HD 6990, HD 7990, R9 295X2 and Radeon Pro Duo.

With a PLX chip: https://www.anandtech.com/show/2428

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D.P. said:
They are working well for compute I imagine, the same as any other duel GPU cards using xfire/sli and duplicated memory pool.
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The article is from 10 years ago . Since then we have moved miles ahead.
Even that article was completely irrelevant when the 295X2 came out.

Is like you telling me right now that the only way a 2 CPU system can only operate like those server ones in 2008 and Infinity Fabric doesn't exist.

So stop trying to shut down logical conversation without you personally knowing how this damn thing (Vega X2) works
Because clearly you do not know
 
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