Poll: Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

[bru]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct3D
Although Nvidia has announced broad support for Direct3D 12, they were also somewhat reserved about the universal appeal of the new API, noting that while game engine developers may be enthusiastic about directly managing GPU resources from their application code, "a lot of [other] folks wouldn't" be happy to have to do that."

So I read "they have announced broad support" and you read "they are against it".

Also as I have been told before, since when is Wikipedia an official source of info, anyone can edit it.

 

[Gregster]

So I read "they have announced broad support" and you read "they are against it".

Also as I have been told before, since when is Wikipedia an official source of info, anyone can edit it.

Same! Maybe I am missing something obvious but that certainly doesn't read as "NVidia are against DX12"

 

[4K8KW10]

Not surprised, Pascal is still essentially a DX11-focused architecture. Once Volta (or whatever the **** they're calling it now) with proper DX12/Vulkan improvements hits then I'm even surprised these updates are out!! The nVidia way is to just bribe the **** out of devs to wait until their new cards are ready before releasing. Shady bunch of ****s as usual.

Yes, they express reservations and unhappiness because they will lose sales.
RX Vega 56 has 10.5 TFLops Single precision throughput, while GTX 1080 Ti has only 7% more, nowhere near to the much higher performance discrepancies found in gaming titles. DX12 is a way to stop or limit the divisions bribery and shady schemes.

 

[bru]

Yes, they express reservations and unhappiness because they will lose sales.
RX Vega 56 has 10.5 TFLops Single precision throughput, while GTX 1080 Ti has only 7% more, nowhere near to the much higher performance discrepancies found in gaming titles. DX12 is a way to stop or limit the divisions bribery and shady schemes.

Once again please show where NVidia have stated that they are unhappy with DX12, or is it another case of you putting words into their mouths.

 

[4K8KW10]

Once again please show where NVidia have stated that they are unhappy with DX12, or is it another case of you putting words into their mouths.

It is written in wiki. Would you care to follow the article?

Nvidia's take
Nvidia seems to see lower-level graphics APIs as less of a panacea than AMD does. Tamasi told us that, while such APIs are "great," they're "not the only answer" because they're "not necessarily great for everyone." This statement goes back to what we said earlier about developers having manual control over things currently handled by the API and driver, such as GPU memory management. Engine programming gurus like DICE's Johan Andersson and Epic's Tim Sweeney might be perfectly happy to manage resources manually, but according to Tamasi, "a lot of folks wouldn't."
https://techreport.com/review/26239/a-closer-look-at-directx-12/3

If you are going to troll, I will ignore your posts.

 

[triss]

It is written in wiki. Would you care to follow the article?

Nvidia's take
Nvidia seems to see lower-level graphics APIs as less of a panacea than AMD does. Tamasi told us that, while such APIs are "great," they're "not the only answer" because they're "not necessarily great for everyone." This statement goes back to what we said earlier about developers having manual control over things currently handled by the API and driver, such as GPU memory management. Engine programming gurus like DICE's Johan Andersson and Epic's Tim Sweeney might be perfectly happy to manage resources manually, but according to Tamasi, "a lot of folks wouldn't."
https://techreport.com/review/26239/a-closer-look-at-directx-12/3

If you are going to troll, I will ignore your posts.

Umm i also dont see where Nvidia have stated they are "unhappy or "nvidia is against" in the wiki link or the techreport article?
All i see is that they stated some devs may prefer more control and some might not.

 

[Panos]

Remember we were talking about mindshare and how some even today promote the 970 over other cards?

Have a look here
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/150-budget-for-a-used-gpu-what-could-i-get.18825808/

How AMD can compete with such people? RX570 is cheaper second hand than the 970. Same applies to 290X and some 390X.
Yet there are some who promote the 970 ignoring the issues or the real performance of the card saying "is good enough".

And few pages back I got criticized for exaggerating when said that there are people in here still promote the 970 over better cards at same price.

 

[4K8KW10]

Umm i also dont see where Nvidia have stated they are "unhappy or "nvidia is against" in the wiki link or the techreport article?
All i see is that they stated some devs may prefer more control and some might not.

nvidia speaks only about itself and no one else. I don't remember anyone to authorise them to speak on their behalf. It is obviously not in nvidia's interest - otherwise they would rather explain how great and useful DirectX 12 is. The only thing I see is envy because things don't go according to their plan

 

[Davedree]

Remember we were talking about mindshare and how some even today promote the 970 over other cards?

Have a look here
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/150-budget-for-a-used-gpu-what-could-i-get.18825808/

How AMD can compete with such people? RX570 is cheaper second hand than the 970. Same applies to 290X and some 390X.
Yet there are some who promote the 970 ignoring the issues or the real performance of the card saying "is good enough".

And few pages back I got criticized for exaggerating when said that there are people in here still promote the 970 over better cards at same price.

When I was waiting and waiting and.... for the Nano to release, when it eventually released at it's ridiculously high price. I had given up and bought myself a gtx970 G1 for £175, it clocked to 1600/4100 and I used it at 1080p. It was a solid card and I sold it after a couple of years for £150. I bought a Sapphire platinum rx470 4g as I converted it into a home made itx version for my htpc (Amd were so far behind in form factor options). The 470 worked well and it was comparable to my old oc'd 970, and in dx12 situations it pulled ahead (hitman,tomb raider etc). Power wise the 470 used about 30w less for similar FPS, however the heat from the power reg setup was crazy, if you touched the backplate it was near on 90c.

After blowing a mosfet on the 470, and repairing it, I then bought a zotac gtx1060 amp 6g to slap in the htpc. This card uses even less power (-30w), is very quiet and clocks very well.

In today's 2nd hand market the 470/570 tends to be priced similar to a 970. I wouldn't call it a superior card, just the AMD is a comparable wiser purchase with dx12 on the top. (Polaris was the late to the party Maxwell which Grenada rudely turned up for).
Polaris is just a power refined cheaper to produce Hawaii, fps it can fall behind a Hawaii.

 

[triss]

nvidia speaks only about itself and no one else. I don't remember anyone to authorise them to speak on their behalf. It is obviously not in nvidia's interest - otherwise they would rather explain how great and useful DirectX 12 is. The only thing I see is envy because things don't go according to their plan

Ah thank you so what you mean is they didnt say what you said they did but rather you just made it up .
I get some in here seem to have a certain bias to one side or the other which is fine but to tell people to stop trolling and read a article which doesnt actually state what you said just seems odd.
Anyhow back on the original topic yes i think AMD does a fair job of competing at most gpu levels overall and hopefully with the next gen one day at the top tier again.

 

[4K8KW10]

Ah thank you so what you mean is they didnt say what you said they did but rather you just made it up .
I get some in here seem to have a certain bias to one side or the other which is fine but to tell people to stop trolling and read a article which doesnt actually state what you said just seems odd.
Anyhow back on the original topic yes i think AMD does a fair job of competing at most gpu levels overall and hopefully with the next gen one day at the top tier again.

At least, nvidia could have said who these a lot of other engine programming gurus wouldn't be perfectly happy to manage GPU resources manually. Citation is needed, otherwise he speaks only about his company - if he is allowed to express the company's opinion in the first place.

 

[bru]

At least, nvidia could have said who these a lot of other engine programming gurus wouldn't be perfectly happy to manage GPU resources manually. Citation is needed, otherwise he speaks only about his company - if he is allowed to express the company's opinion in the first place.

From the Tech report article you posted.

Nvidia seems to see lower-level graphics APIs as less of a panacea than AMD does. Tamasi told us that, while such APIs are "great," they're "not the only answer" because they're "not necessarily great for everyone." This statement goes back to what we said earlier about developers having manual control over things currently handled by the API and driver, such as GPU memory management. Engine programming gurus like DICE's Johan Andersson and Epic's Tim Sweeney might be perfectly happy to manage resources manually, but according to Tamasi, "a lot of folks wouldn't."

Seems fairly straight forward to me, or do you expect him to name every game developer in existance who might not want to use DX12.

 

[aoaaron]

i think TVs including freesync could switch stuff towards AMD.

It'd definitely make me think twice on my next purchase.

 

[DELETED_195422]

AMD are useless and have been for years in the GPU market. They seem more interested in getting their chips put into consoles, rather than doing anything of significance in the desktop market. AMD are a lost cause and aren't going to compete. Those that ticked Yes on the above survey need their head checked.

I'm more interested in what Intel can bring to the market.

 

[Kaapstad]

AMD are useless and have been for years in the GPU market. They seem more interested in getting their chips put into consoles, rather than doing anything of significance in the desktop market. AMD are a lost cause and aren't going to compete. Those that ticked Yes on the above survey need their head checked.

I'm more interested in what Intel can bring to the market.

AMD are already competing with NVidia quite well with cards like the RX580, the lack of an ultra high end card does not mean they are unable to compete.

As to intel when they do finally get their GPU act together, what we are likely to see to start with are cards at the low end of the market and if that goes well they could move on to the high end market segment in several years time. What we won't see for a very long time is anything that will get near a Titan type card.

 

[Gerard]

AMD are useless and have been for years in the GPU market. They seem more interested in getting their chips put into consoles, rather than doing anything of significance in the desktop market. AMD are a lost cause and aren't going to compete. Those that ticked Yes on the above survey need their head checked.

I'm more interested in what Intel can bring to the market.

How are they useless exactly? They have an incredibly finite budget compared to intel and nvidia, and its pretty obvious over the last lot of years the lions share of this has went to CPU development. AMD have one upped intel and nvidia in the past so saying people need their heads examined if they think they can compete again makes you pretty ignorant of past history.

The vast majority of people aren't going to buy an ultra high end card, midrange and lower end are where the real money is. But on tech forums its like if amd don't produce something that trounces nvidia in every aspect its not worth buying and amd are "failing" somehow.

 

[D.P.]

Nvidia were spot on, here we are half way through 2018 and there are almost no DX12 games out there as developers just don't want it, and none that were not possible with DX11, and almost none that show any real performance jump on any hardware.

 

[Gerard]

Nvidia were spot on, here we are half way through 2018 and there are almost no DX12 games out there as developers just don't want it, and none that were not possible with DX11, and almost none that show any real performance jump on any hardware.

Spot on with what? Developers historically have been slow to adopt new versions of DX that actually added visual improvements nevermind one that does nothing for visuals. 9/10 its some tacked on addition that doesn't run properly. Other times its certified to run on a new version of dx renderer but not use any of the new features. Even Mystic Meg could have got that one right.

 

[Panos]

AMD are useless and have been for years in the GPU market. They seem more interested in getting their chips put into consoles, rather than doing anything of significance in the desktop market. AMD are a lost cause and aren't going to compete. Those that ticked Yes on the above survey need their head checked.

I'm more interested in what Intel can bring to the market.

You serious?
See bellow.
Nvidia is trying with brute force on DX11 to sell their cards.

The moment techs like DX12 or HDR are activated, the performance plummets.



Can you comprehend how bigger the fps drop is if you use GTX1080 with HDR AND DX12?

 

[hyperseven]

You serious?
See bellow.
Nvidia is trying with brute force on DX11 to sell their cards.

The moment techs like DX12 or HDR are activated, the performance plummets.



Can you comprehend how bigger the fps drop is if you use GTX1080 with HDR AND DX12?

Well that means absolutely nothing

you can't just stick a graph in a post and write a load of incoherent nonsense, or can you...?