Poll: Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

[David Bisset]

The RX Vega pricing compared to their NVIDIA counterparts is ridiculous though.As much I would like to support AMD, its not possible at these prices.

I agree with you on recent form but they're down a lot. A vega 56 is a good 1070Ti worth of card for not far off on the money and a 64 is between a 1080 and a 1080Ti in my eyes which is ~ where it sits now on price. Yes, they are still a bit above where I'd like them on the price comparisons, but unless starting with a desire for NVIDIA I don't think they are wildly overpriced now*, perhaps slightly but supporting them is certainly possible without huge personal sacrifice.

* Compared to available ALTs. I still think the whole market is too high for the perf relative to older gens etc.

 

[JediFragger]

A vega 56 is a good 1070Ti worth of card

Not really, the Ti smashes the 56 in a lot of games. @LoadsaMoney posted a vid not long back with up-to-date drivers with a Ti vs a 56 (or 64) and the Ti beat it in most games.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Not really, the Ti smashes the 56 in a lot of games. @LoadsaMoney posted a vid not long back with up-to-date drivers with a Ti vs a 56 (or 64) and the Ti beat it in most games.

You mean the reference Vega56 compared by Techspot this month against a non-reference GTX1070TI where the latter was a mahoosive 5% faster overall??

Edit!!

This is the GTX1070TI he tested:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-342-ms.html

Then he said all aftermarket Vega56 cards were expensive,yet this is not the case,and that includes a copy of FC5:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19p-gi.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-41x-as.html

He then says reference Vega 56 cards are the same as aftermarket ones in terms of performance. TH tested the cheapest Vega56 card in the US and UK and that is not the case:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gigabyte-radeon-rx-vega-56-gaming-oc-8g-review,5413-3.html

In practice, the Radeon RX Vega 56 Gaming OC 8G achieves a 9- to 11%-higher clock rate than AMD's reference card, resulting in average frame rates that are anywhere from 6- to 8% better. That's respectable scaling, to be sure.

Do I think Vega 56 is overpriced?? Yep,but so is the GTX1070TI.

I would rather have a £350 GTX1070 over both and save the money. If I was paying £450 I would expect a GTX1080 and you could get them a while back for that kind of money including a game or two.

The Vega56 price increases and GTX1070TI have only propped up the price of the GTX1080 and the GTX1070,which is annoying.

 

[Panos]

On a side not to this, i heard nVidia are having to use a chip on the G-Sync modules to make them HDR, said chips costs a lot of money, we are talking a few hundred $, $500 was the quote i got, apparently its all nVidia can do at the moment to make G-Sync HDR, its why its taken so long to happen and why its only on $2000+ displays.

Anyone know anything more about that?

The FPGA processor Nvidia is using for the Gsync HDR module costs $2600 in low numbers.
So the assumption was that Nvidia bought it for $500. That isn't a real figure thought, but even if it is, the rest of the parts making the gsync module are still expensive and easily could easily add $300-500. After that there are issues with the panel, the fan that is cooling the FPGA CPU making impossible to mount the Acer panel due to the fan positioning.
And that before the issues with the panel themselves.

 

[Panos]

The RX Vega pricing compared to their NVIDIA counterparts is ridiculous though.As much I would like to support AMD, its not possible at these prices.

Yes but this has nothing to do with AMD. Vega 64 was well sought off card because of HBM2 ram making it ideal for mining.
Is just now we start seen stock and normalisation on prices and still is half the price for what was used to be few months back.

Also tell me what is your opinion about the ridiculous prices of the GTX1080Ti? Some are now 40% more expensive than last summer and they have been at this price for months.

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I am with you @CAT-THE-FIFTH, also when V64 can be found for £500 (even the Nitro+ with FC5 gift), buying £480 GTX1070Ti makes no sense.

 

[humbug]

The FPGA processor Nvidia is using for the Gsync HDR module costs $2600 in low numbers.
So the assumption was that Nvidia bought it for $500. That isn't a real figure thought, but even if it is, the rest of the parts making the gsync module are still expensive and easily could easily add $300-500. After that there are issues with the panel, the fan that is cooling the FPGA CPU making impossible to mount the Acer panel due to the fan positioning.
And that before the issues with the panel themselves.

I see, G-Sync is turning out not to be practical.

 

[FoxEye]

I agree mate. Most here want AMD to compete so they would buy their Nvidia card cheaper.

I don't think that's even remotely true.

I also think you have a very selective memory.

Back when AMD made decent cards, products like the 7850 were the only recommendation in its price bracket.

It's not the consumer's fault that AMD is where it is. You can blame Intel; you can blame mis-management; you can blame partners like GloFlo for not delivering.

Some of you guys really do live in fantasy land tho. Atm, AMD does not have "equal or better products to nV at all points below the 1080ti." That statement is so far divorced from reality, that it's remarried five times and had 15 kids.

 

[JediFragger]

Do I think Vega 56 is overpriced?? Yep,but so is the GTX1070TI.

If both the ref 56 and the aftermarket Ti are at the same pricepoint I'd say it was a fair comparison (and the a/m Giga and Asus cards are both known to be awful, think I'd take the known quality of the reference cards over those!)

 

[JediFragger]

I see, G-Sync is turning out not to be practical.

Maybe Gsync for the insane bleeding-edge crowd yes (enjoy!), but for us 'normal' peeps with more sense than money the normal monitors are fine.

 

[Marine-RX179]

I don't think that's even remotely true.

I also think you have a very selective memory.

Back when AMD made decent cards, products like the 7850 were the only recommendation in its price bracket.

Not much really changed though, for the sub £200 segment AMD's offering at the moment is still better than Nvidia's offering just like back then.

 

[FoxEye]

Not much really changed though, for the sub £200 segment AMD's offering at the moment is still better than Nvidia's offering just like back then.

I'm not a fan of Polaris at all. Noisy, hot, absurdly power-hungry for the performance...

Anyway today sub-£200 is not the same perf-bracket as was back then. Sub-£200 is ****-tier these days. Can't buy a decent mid-range card for less than £250-£350 (or LOL-Asus at £400). I seem to recall the 7850 was £150 ish? The next mid-range king was the 460 (nV) also at £150.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/amd/radeon-rx-580

^Mid-range today is 2.3x the cost of that 7850.

 

[humbug]

I'm not a fan of Polaris at all. Noisy, hot, absurdly power-hungry for the performance...

Oh stop, its nothing like that bad, its a good GPU actually.

 

[FoxEye]

Oh stop, its nothing like that bad, its a good GPU actually.

I have one, and it's cack. And the reviews show it's cack. I question my sanity for buying it in the first place. Must have been having a bad day.

 

[melmac]

I have one, and it's cack. And the reviews show it's cack. I question my sanity for buying it in the first place. Must have been having a bad day.

LOL have you been drinking?

 

[aoaaron]

i think amd will come back to compete in the xx50 to xx70 range for sure.

xx80-xx80ti i think they will struggle to catch up.

 

[humbug]

I have one, and it's cack. And the reviews show it's cack. I question my sanity for buying it in the first place. Must have been having a bad day.

I would buy an RX 580 over a GTX 1060 any day of the week.

 

[FoxEye]

I would buy an RX 580 over a GTX 1060 any day of the week.

Well don't get a Sapphire, then. This card is perhaps the loudest GPU I've ever owned.

That alone is reason for me to hate it. Within seconds of loading a game I can't hear anything but the GPU. Need to wear closed headphones just to be able to hear game sounds properly :/

Shockingly loud card. But then when you think how much heat Polaris is kicking out - for a low/mid card it's a stupid amount - the noise makes sense. Either that or there's really angry queen wasp in my PC.

 

[humbug]

Well don't get a Sapphire, then. This card is perhaps the loudest GPU I've ever owned.

That alone is reason for me to hate it. Within seconds of loading a game I can't hear anything but the GPU. Need to wear closed headphones just to be able to hear game sounds properly :/

Shockingly loud card. But then when you think how much heat Polaris is kicking out - for a low/mid card it's a stupid amount - the noise makes sense. Either that or there's really angry queen wasp in my PC.

Good Grief... again they are not that bad, slightly more than a GTX 1060, less than a GTX 1070, i have the later, its not a problem, maybe the Sapphire cooler is just crap, the card is decent for power efficiency.

 

[FoxEye]

Good Grief... again they are not that bad, slightly more than a GTX 1060, less than a GTX 1070, i have the later, its not a problem, maybe the Sapphire cooler is just crap, the card is decent for power efficiency.

Well evidently the Sapphire cooler is not capable of dispersing the heat the card kicks out without spinning its fans at 100%. Which sounds like somebody is holding a hairdryer to my ears. ANd this happens within about 10s of loading any 3D game.

It is without doubt the worst card I've owned in the last 10 years. Last Sapphire card I ever buy I tell you. Cheap and nasty.

 

[bru]

Hold on a bit on the power consumption front. I had until yesterday a GTX1080Ti Xtreme, with no manual overclock just the normal boost and was consuming 70W more than the V64 Nitro+ I have today. Dont take the feeble FE power consumption to make a case for it. Take the factory overclocked versions which some are bordering to the old mighty 295X2 in that front.

AMD site states Typical board power (desktop) 295w for Vega 64

NVidia states tdp of 180w for the 1080 and 250w for the 1080ti (click view full specs.)

So no I wont hold on the power consumption front, you might have tweaked your card to be relatively power efficient but do not try to kid us that they are all capable of it, as loads of people have not had much luck tweaking theirs. and that is with even mentioning you put the Vega 64 up against the 1080ti..lol