Poll: Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

[bigmike20vt]

maybe just me but they could call it AMD smelly clinker for all i care. if it is cheaper and /or faster than NVs top offering it will be going in my rig when it is time to upgrade

 

[DELETED_195422]

It is strong to say Radeon stinks but it is true that GeForce sounds more natural and consumer-recognisable and consumer-friendly.
They must work on this idea - to ask their customers what new brand they would select for the graphics products.

For example, they already market Vega as Vega, not as Radeon Vega...

It's still under Radeon though. My point is, there are people that know very little regarding PC gaming, but they know the Geforce brand. Ask them about Radeon and they'd think it was a box of washing powder. That's the difference.

Add the stigma of Radeon on top and you have a complete incompetent brand that no matter how good, doesn't sell as well as it should.

I've got zero sympathy for AMD. It should've been changed years ago.

 

[4K8KW10]

How about iVega for 'cool and modern' and to mark their ongoing partnership with Apple?

I was thinking about the i-something too, AMD iGraphics RX 100 series

 

[bru]

they all can be tweaked to use less power and perform better with a few simple steps because the default settings are rubbish.

Your'e original comment I believe.

If the person has crappy case and crappy system, that's not the fault of the card.



What a bizarre statement. Neither Nvidia or AMD can guarantee that all their cards actually work. How many arrive DOA? how many have to be returned?

There are always going to be a few failures. Just like said I above, when you sell millions of cards there are going to be a few duds.


How is this news to you? Overclocking a GPU or CPU has always voided the warranty. ​

So you're absolute certainty that they can all be tweaked is suddenly not quite so certain.

That is the problem with posting up absolute certainties, very rarely are they accurate.

 

[Bluntwrapped]

AMD could’ve changed its name to Avidia if it wasn’t already taken by a US bank.

That would be fun to watch

 

[melmac]

Your'e original comment I believe.



So you're absolute certainty that they can all be tweaked is suddenly not quite so certain.

That is the problem with posting up absolute certainties, very rarely are they accurate.

That's pretty pathetic even for you Bru. Just accept that you were wrong and move on. Vega can be tweaked to use less power. Panos's Vega card isn't anything special, his tweaking isn't anything out of the ordinary.

 

[Gregster]

That's pretty pathetic even for you Bru. Just accept that you were wrong and move on. Vega can be tweaked to use less power. Panos's Vega card isn't anything special, his tweaking isn't anything out of the ordinary.

The trouble with that is.... Having to tweak it to get it to run cooler and more efficient and like Bru said, there is many who can't, so he is spot on. Clearly this was down to limited time, money and resources but for the majority of us, I like to turn my PC on and game, I don't want to be 'tweaking' this or that.

 

[melmac]

The trouble with that is.... Having to tweak it to get it to run cooler and more efficient and like Bru said, there is many who can't, so he is spot on.

*sigh* And we are back to the same thing I was arguing with Bru about. It's not about the power Vega uses at default settings, it's about him saying that loads of people haven't been able to tweak their cards and that lots of card are not able to be tweaked. I say to you too, point out these "many people who can't"

Clearly this was down to limited time, money and resources but for the majority of us, I like to turn my PC on and game, I don't want to be 'tweaking' this or that.

What has the bit about limited time resources and money got to do with the discussion that I am having with Bru? And for that matter, what does your personal preference got to do with it either?

You say you don't want to tweak this or that? You have never overclocked? or setup a custom fan profile? Or even changed the graphics settings on the game you are playing? I am asking because tweaking Vega to use less power takes about 30 seconds. Do you think that people with Vega cards have to tweak them every time they go to game?

 

[bru]

That's pretty pathetic even for you Bru. Just accept that you were wrong and move on. Vega can be tweaked to use less power. Panos's Vega card isn't anything special, his tweaking isn't anything out of the ordinary.

If I was wrong I would have no problem in saying so, but on this occasion, it wasn't me that said 'all' vega cards can be tweaked, you have then go on to say in a latter post that some cards might have been DOA, well they certainly cannot be tweaked, so I put it to you, just accept that you were wrong and let's stop this ridiculous argument and move on.

 

[4K8KW10]

AMD could’ve changed its name to Avidia if it wasn’t already taken by a US bank.

That would be fun to watch

nVidia's name comes from the word "envy". Why am I not surprised at all?
I thought it was something in between "video" and "vision".
But "envy" ideally fits them, together with "greed". Imagine nvygridia

 

[bru]

nVidia's name comes from the word "envy". Why am I not surprised at all?
I thought it was something in between "video" and "vision".
But "envy" ideally fits them, together with "greed". Imagine nvygridia

That is one possible explanation of where the name might have come from, I don't think Jim from Adored TV got a comment from NVidia about it, so it might not be correct. Probably is though.

 

[4K8KW10]

That is one possible explanation of where the name might have come from, I don't think Jim from Adored TV got a comment from NVidia about it, so it might not be correct. Probably is though.

https://web.archive.org/web/20171116192021/http://fortune.com/2017/11/16/nvidia-ceo-jensen-huang/

With $40,000 in the bank, Nvidia was born. The company initially had no name. “We couldn’t think of one, so we named all of our files NV, as in ‘next version,’ ” Huang says. A need to incorporate the company prompted the cofounders to review all words with those two letters, leading them to “invidia,” the Latin word for “envy.” It stuck.

N could have meant n-quantity of displays, while vidia could have come from vision...


Anyways, Radeon is just a legacy leftover from ATi, so it can be safely changed for the better with something more pleasant. Reidon...

 

[EastCoastHandle]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-nvidia-battlefield-5-graphics-performance

TWIMTBP is closely working with Dice on BFV. They were made well aware of the Alpha release date. However, results for BF V show that the 580 is beating the 1060 in both DX11 and DX12.

This is a bit interesting. Or perhaps, nvidia inadvertently hobbled performance before the release of turing?

 

[Panos]

That's pretty pathetic even for you Bru. Just accept that you were wrong and move on. Vega can be tweaked to use less power. Panos's Vega card isn't anything special, his tweaking isn't anything out of the ordinary.

Idk what I missed, but haven't downvolt the Vega 64. Only set it to Turbo mode on the example above.
Which is basically nothing. Just the factory overclock speeds.


<frustrated>

Who spreads sacrilegious rumours that I downvolt my cards?

</frustrated>

 

[Beren]

Why would anyone want another Polaris generation that's 15% faster only? /boggle

If you are in 1060/580 territory plenty would be interested in a 15% improvement, but that is just on core speed. If they go GDDR6 on top of 12nm it could be well more than 15%. Although I still think it would be far better to have shrunk Vega down and made a Vega 48 on 12nm with the 15% arch improvement... but AMD just don't seem to want to listen

It also depends just how much better the 11 series is. If they don't take a massive step forward and a refreshed Polaris still keeps them in range of the 1160 then I can see exactly why they would do it.

For right now it is just shadow and rumour.

As for branding I think they have a massive opportunity to minimise Radeon and trade way more off Ryzen. Ryzen and Vega are already associated. Vega and then Navi work as far punchier Titles - Vega with Ryzen 2 and then Navi with Ryzen 3

 

[Bluntwrapped]

nVidia's name comes from the word "envy". Why am I not surprised at all?
I thought it was something in between "video" and "vision".
But "envy" ideally fits them, together with "greed". Imagine nvygridia

Nsidious would be another good one

 

[bigmike20vt]

Nsidious would be another good one

Are nvidia really that much worse than intel, apple or MS?

if they are then fair enough i guess... but if not, well, isnt it a bit double standards to lambast NV whilst using windows on your pc and giving MS a free pass?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/intel_antitrust_case_analysis/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/dec/22/apple-lawsuits-intentional-slowing-older-iphones

 

[Bluntwrapped]

Are nvidia really that much worse than intel or MS?

if they are then fair enough i guess... but if not, well, isnt it a bit double standards to lambast NV whilst using windows on your pc and giving MS a free pass?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/intel_antitrust_case_analysis/

Lol this line of defence has already been used in the other thread. I’m not saying one is worse than the other. I focus on Nvidia because this is the GPU section of the forum.

Oh and I own a GTX 1080.

 

[bigmike20vt]

fair enough and good point about this being the graphics section.
However..... IF NV offends you so much with your practices you need to either vote with your wallet or accept it imo. Complaining about them whilst handing them their cash does nowt.

by supporting them by buying their products you are just enabling them.

 

[4K8KW10]

AMD obliterates Nvidia in early Battlefield 5 benchmarks https://www.overclock3d.net/news/software/amd_obliterates_nvidia_in_early_battlefield_5_benchmarks/1

""During his testing, Battlefield 5 was played at Ultra settings using ASUS ROG Strix RX 580 and GTX 1060 graphics cards at resolutions of 1080p and 1440p. Under DirectX 11 the game ran at an average of 45FPS on Nvidia's GTX 1060 and 68FPS on AMD's RX 580. Minimum framerates also presented a larger gap, with minimum framerates dropping to 34FPS on Nvidia's GTX 1060 while AMD's RX 580 had a minimum of 56.

Moving into DirectX 12 the performance gap widened, with the average and minimum framerates of Nvidia's GTX 1060 dropping to 41 and 29 FPS respectively, while AMD's RX 580 maintained the same average framerate and achieved a higher minimum framerate of 59FPS. Under DirectX 12 AMD's RX 580 offered a minimum framerate that was 2x higher than its Nvidia counterpart.""

So:
Battlefield 5 @ Ultra settings, 1440p and DX11
ASUS ROG Strix 580 - 68 FPS (average) / 56 FPS (minimum)
nVidia GTX 1060 - 45 FPS (average) / 34 FPS (minimum)

Battelefield 5 @ Ultra settings, 1440p and DX12
ASUS ROG Strix 580 - 68 FPS (average) / 59 FPS (minimum)
nVidia GTX 1060 - 41 FPS (average) / 29 FPS (minimum)