Poll: Do you think AMD will be able to compete with Nvidia again during the next few years?

[Satchfanuk]

According to rumours is just a re-spin of Pascal. Indeed we shall see.

If it is a re-spin, maybe Raja knew Nvidia wouldn't be able to carve up Volta like a prize turkey and serve up the leftovers as a gaming card, hence the rather unfortunate poor volta moment.

This could therefore partly explain the long delay in bring a replacement for the 10 series because Nvidia had to go back to the drawing board and hash up a re-spin of Pascal?

Not an entirely outlandish hypothesis? Thoughts?

 

[Panos]

If it is a re-spin, maybe Raja knew Nvidia wouldn't be able to carve up Volta like a prize turkey and serve up the leftovers as a gaming card, hence the rather unfortunate poor volta moment.

This could therefore partly explain the long delay in bring a replacement for the 10 series because Nvidia had to go back to the drawing board and hash up a re-spin of Pascal?

Not an entirely outlandish hypothesis? Thoughts?

If they could carve the very expensive Volta, why they didn't do it already?
And where is the Volta replacement or any news about 7nm from NV?

Personally I would prefer NV come out with a DX12 card, that means we can get rid of the archaic DX11 and have true console ports with carrying over their optimisations to PC.
Also we see AMD is pushing for DX12 exclusives now, like The Division 2 and are active on that front.
But we need to move forward. DX12 has slower adoption rate even compared to DX10. Is out now 4 years already.
We should be penning for DX12.5 by not. Not trying to make Nvidia support fully DX12. Let alone DX12.1 or DX12.2

 

[Muhammad.Abdelhameed]

Is not new for Blizzard cutting off support of old tech forcing everyone to upgrade. And was planning to push DX12 to all and then switch off DX11 later.

WOW ditched DX9 and 32bit systems just 7 months ago. After most people have already moved on to Win 7 and 64bit OS. So them ditching DX11 NOW means shooting themselves in the foot. It WONT HAPPEN.

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17617173338

Also we see AMD is pushing for DX12 exclusives now, like The Division 2 and are active on that front.

The Division 2 has DX11.

 

[Muhammad.Abdelhameed]

NVIDIA DX12 is even faster than AMD DX11 in WOW in multiple areas according to Extremetech:

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/273923-benchmarking-world-of-warcrafts-directx-12-support

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

NVIDIA DX12 is even faster than AMD DX11 in WOW in multiple areas according to Extremetech:

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/273923-benchmarking-world-of-warcrafts-directx-12-support

Wowsers,how is Nvidia getting 21 FPS lower minimums during a flyby with a Core i7-4960X?? Eh??

Also,the article says this:

It’s possible that lower-end CPUs would see different results in these tests. As we’ve discussed before, DirectX 12 doesn’t really help you recover much in the way of GPU performance, though features like asynchronous compute can improve GPU perf in certain ways if supported in hardware. The major advantage of low-overhead APIs and the place where we always saw them do the most good was when paired with low-power or weaker CPUs, not GPUs. Here, they can make a significant difference, sometimes cutting CPU utilization by 10-30 percent and allowing for corresponding improvements in power consumption or giving developers more flexibility. We’ve also seen some specific cases where AMD’s DirectX 12 performance has given it better competitive standing against Nvidia, though again, the shifts here tend to be on the smaller side.

But at least in WoW, for now, the message seems clear. If you have a higher-end CPU and reasonably new GPU, DirectX 11 is the better API. We’ve got an eye on the situation and will re-test and/or revisit this question if Blizzard makes any formal announcements about improving the newer API’s performance relative to the older one.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I saw this mentioned elsewhere:



Crikey,this might explain why Blizzard implemented DX12,as in the future things will only get worse as they make graphical updates to the game,and as monitor resolutions increase.

 

[4K8KW10]

I begin to worry whether AMD has no thoughts of abandoning the discrete graphics cards space.
It is kind of funny but because of chiplets, they no longer need to own ATi anymore. How about to sell it back to its former Canadian owners?
So, they no longer need the purchase which was so close to killing them, the worst purchase perhaps ever.

 

[Mauller]

Navi should be competitive, Vega 20 should bring performance up but won't be available to consumers.

I should be seeing V20 hands on at Siggraph.

 

[Satchfanuk]

I begin to worry whether AMD has no thoughts of abandoning the discrete graphics cards space.
It is kind of funny but because of chiplets, they no longer need to own ATi anymore. How about to sell it back to its former Canadian owners?
So, they no longer need the purchase which was so close to killing them, the worst purchase perhaps ever.

If AMD sold RTG (ATi) they would lose all the IP they use to make the GPUs in their semi-custom chips for Sony and MS, not to mention the part they sell to Intel, plus all their APUs.

That seems like a totally insane idea. Did Trump come up with this or did you think of it yourself

 

[Steampunk]

I begin to worry whether AMD has no thoughts of abandoning the discrete graphics cards space.
It is kind of funny but because of chiplets, they no longer need to own ATi anymore. How about to sell it back to its former Canadian owners?
So, they no longer need the purchase which was so close to killing them, the worst purchase perhaps ever.

There is no former owner. ATI was a Canadian company that sold itself/merged with AMD. Right now AMD is the only company that can do CPU & GPU. That's what got them into the Xbox and PS, and the tech is used in the deep learning/data centre market. It would be silly for AMD to sell off the most important unique selling point and valuable technology when it's what differentiates them from their competitors like Intel and Nvidia.

 

[4K8KW10]

There is no former owner. ATI was a Canadian company that sold itself/merged with AMD. Right now AMD is the only company that can do CPU & GPU. That's what got them into the Xbox and PS, and the tech is used in the deep learning/data centre market. It would be silly for AMD to sell off the most important unique selling point and valuable technology when it's what differentiates them from their competitors like Intel and Nvidia.

Just nvidia, Intel has CPUs and soon will GPUs.
AMD got the Microsoft and Sony contracts because of the price they offered.
Other companies can successfully substitute AMD.

 

[Steampunk]

Just nvidia, Intel has CPUs and soon will GPUs.
AMD got the Microsoft and Sony contracts because of the price they offered.
Other companies can successfully substitute AMD.

Intel are currently buying AMD GPUs for their chips. It's very hard to do GPUs without vast sums of money, and without using patents already owned by others (notably AMD & Nvidia). Intel have tried before and failed, so let's not hold our collective breaths waiting for what Intel may or may not produce years from now.

AMD got the Microsoft and Sony contracts because of the price they offered.
Other companies can successfully substitute AMD.

A price they could do because AMD only needed one chip, and had the ability and IP to make it, unlike Intel or Nvidia. Don't believe the Nvidia excuses that they didn't want the job anyway (once they'd lost the bidding process). What other companies can produce a combined CPU/GPU that can drive the likes of Xbox One or PS4, along with the associated software support for developers? A Snapdragon core meant for a mobile phones isn't going to cut it

 

[4K8KW10]

If AMD sold RTG (ATi) they would lose all the IP they use to make the GPUs in their semi-custom chips for Sony and MS, not to mention the part they sell to Intel, plus all their APUs.

That seems like a totally insane idea. Did Trump come up with this or did you think of it yourself

Well, AMD sells the remnants of ATi and starts buying GPU chiplets from elsewhere, even nvidia.

My idea is to return the independence of ATi, so we finally see proper competition in the GPU space.

 

[DELETED_195422]

ATI going to AMD was just a bloody waste.

 

[Howling]

My idea is to return the independence of ATi, so we finally see proper competition in the GPU space.

That's the point of splitting off into RTG, to give them some autonomy from the rest of AMD

 

[4K8KW10]

ATI going to AMD was just a bloody waste.

That's the point of splitting off into RTG, to give them some autonomy from the rest of AMD

I don't see any positive outcome - just downward spiraling...
Radeon loses positions ever since Radeon X1000.

And a company which specialises in designing GPUs and does mainly this, thus not losing focus, will always have the upper hand.

 

[Steampunk]

That's the point of splitting off into RTG, to give them some autonomy from the rest of AMD

How are they going to get seed money and access to ATI created, but AMD owned patents? At best the whole division would be sold to someone else, and to get the patents too, that's going to cost billions. Don't forget that ATI cost 5.6 billion dollars in 2006 - how much more would it be today given the deep learning/datacentre products it's making beyond graphics cards?

If RTG was spun off, then AMD would lose exclusive access to RTG products and design.

 

[Howling]

How are they going to get seed money and access to ATI created, but AMD owned patents? At best the whole division would be sold to someone else, and to get the patents too, that's going to cost billions. Don't forget that ATI cost 5.6 billion dollars in 2006 - how much more would it be today given the deep learning/datacentre products it's making beyond graphics cards?

If RTG was spun off, then AMD would lose exclusive access to RTG products and design.

What? I never said anything about them selling RTG.

 

[melmac]

AMD got the Microsoft and Sony contracts because of the price they offered.

No they didn't. They got the contract because both Sony and Microsoft went with an x86 SOC design. That ruled Nvidia out. And AMD are better at Intel when it comes to GPUs.

 

[melmac]

My idea is to return the independence of ATi, so we finally see proper competition in the GPU space.

Your idea has no merit.

I don't see any positive outcome - just downward spiraling...
Radeon loses positions ever since Radeon X1000.

ATI were a sinking ship briefly held afloat by the 9700/9800 and even then it took a huge mistake by Nvidia for ATI to get any sort of parity in the Market. The X800 cards weren't that great, it was just that the FX 5800 was so bad and ATI still had some goodwill from the 9700/9800 cards. Remember it was ATI that did that the x1000, it was ATI that designed the 2900. Those cards had nothing to do with AMD.