Doctor Who

Went out drinking and missed it. I'll have to watch it when it's repeated but it better be good. I've been massively disappointed with this series and haven't enjoyed more than a couple of episodes. I don't rate the new girl much either :(
 
*Moangroan* said:
Couold someone explain briefly who the master is and and any history......
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In short the Master is everything the Dr is not, sort of the Dr's nemesis.
He's evil, manipulative, willing to kill, has an uncanny ability to manipulate people (IIRC he's got some sort of hypnotic ability and will use it).

From memory the Master is looking for a way to extend his life (he's used all his normal regenerations), and was at some point possibly if not a friend of the Doctor and colleague who took the path of doing what he wants without any regard for anyone else.
They are/were both "renegades", but whilst the Doctor was a relatively harmless one who interfered because he didn't like to see people hurt (or because he's a born meddler:p), the Master interferes because he wants to and can benefit.

I think at one point the Master was quite willing to let Gallifrey be destroyed to save himself.
 
Danger Phoenix said:
Anyone know what happened to the Master's TARDIS?
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Taken from Wikki said:
Unlike the Doctor, the Master's TARDIS has a functioning chameleon circuit, allowing it to change its external appearance to better fit in with its environment.
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Cos He's been Human sooooo long he won't know what it looks like!!! :D

I was like :eek: When I saw the Pocket Watch!!!!! Great Episode!... I always Loved the Episodes with the Master in em!! :cool:
 
I just wonder though...

I thought it was a great episode myself, answered a lot of questions which did crop up in Torchwood too, but there are still two questions:

1) Have the writers got it slightly wrong as in the end of Torchwood, you see jack smiling and papers getting thrown about etc, like the Tardis was arriving in the Torchwood HUB. He was gone almost instantly and no-one saw him on the way out.

In the last episode of Doctor who, the TARDIS arrives outside, and is there for a little while longer than suggested by the end of Torchwood. The end of torchwood and the beggining of Episode 11 of Doctor Who doesn't marry up. Or is it just me?

2) I thought, one the master was dead from the 1996 film, and that he had used all his regenerations anyway. Another massive plot hole for us geeks?

All in all, i can't wait for the last two though, with the master back, it should be good. :D
 
paul_h_amiga said:
2) I thought, one the master was dead from the 1996 film, and that he had used all his regenerations anyway. Another massive plot hole for us geeks?
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The Eric Roberts Master from the TV movie was also in a hijacked Human body anyway when he was apparently killed - his predecessor (Antony Ainley's Master) was also in a hijacked non-Time Lord body. I reckon that genetic re-writing thingy probably made him a Time Lord again, hence having a regeneration available to him after he gets shot right at the end.

Maybe they'll clear things up in the last two episodes, but I wouldn't mind betting that they'll leave it completely unanswered!
 
Another fantastic episode last night - not quite as good as 'Blink', which is possibly the best episode of Dr.Who ever, but great.

Good to see the return of the Master - takes me back to the Tom Baker era, esp Logopolis with all the shrunken people (and Nyssa, mmmmm).

I reckon David Tennant is right up there with the best Doctors now that they've made the storylines a bit less 'run-around-shouting' and have had the bottle to start doing more multi-part stories.

Tom Baker is still the best (although I rate Earthshock with Peter Davison as one of the best episodes).
 
Von Luck said:
Don't rate the new girl? :eek:

She's gorgeous and can act - loads better than Billie Piper.
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Apart from your comment regarding Billie Piper, I agree completely. She is very nice, and fits the character well.
 
JRS said:
I reckon that genetic re-writing thingy probably made him a Time Lord again, hence having a regeneration available to him after he gets shot right at the end.
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That also means the Doctor now has 12 regenerations as well. Seems like any easy way to regenerate indefinitely. Just use the chameleon Arch, pop into a different physiology for 5 mins and there you go 12 new lives.
 
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fornowagain said:
That also means the Doctor now has 12 regenerations as well. Seems like any easy way to regenerate indefinably. Just use the chamelion Arch, pop into a different physiology for 5 mins and there you go 12 new lives.
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Eh, of course they're going to have to bend the mythology every now and again. Perhaps when they wrote that bit of backstory they never imagined breaching that number of regenerations. It's more testament to the quality of the show and books that they've had to find ways to patch up that limitation.
 
I don't think the chameleon thing has allowed more regenerations.

IIRC it was the eye of terror (or whatever they called it) that allowed the time lords to regenerate, and in previous stories it had been mentioned that the leaders of the time lords could allow someone additional regenerations if they had done something suitably impressive/important for them (or if they had used regenerations under certain circumstances).

The Tardis and it's ilk were all connected to the same power source on Gallifrey I believe.

Add the two together and you're looking at the possibility that the heart of the tardis is somehow related to the same power that the time lord council used to allow additional regenerations, and could possibly when there is no longer the limits of the ruling council allow any time lord near enough to it (IE inside/close to) it to have an additional regeneration.


The other option is that the Master we see now is an earlier incarnation, prior to the one that had run out of regenerations (look at last weeks episode where the Doctor met someone for the first time, decades after he had recorded messages for her).
We have only ever seen about 5 or 6 of the incarnations of the Master clearly ;)
 
Azagoth said:
Am I just a sad individual, or is normal for someone to figure out Prof. YANA as soon as it was shown?
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I didn't get it, but I thought his name was Yarnet until it came up on the screen. Silly me. :o



I've never watched the old series, but I love the new ones. This last one especially...wow, just wow. :eek:

I think the writers are truly excellent. Steven Moffat's episodes have been brilliant (he wrote 'Blink' and 'The Girl in the Fireplace', as well as a few earlier ones), and the arcing plotlines are fantastic, presumably creations of Russell T Davies. I just can't praise them enough for the way they unravel the storylines. Even when the plot itself is a little dodgy, the delivery is top-notch. :p




I heard a rumour the other day that after the next series, they're stopping altogether. Is this true? I looked on Wikipedia, but found nothing. Apparently it was in a newspaper or magazine, saying that the next series would be the 'last ever'. I suppose that would fit, with the Doctor having used up all of/most of his regenerations, and from a writer's POV, it kind of makes sense to kill him off within a series or two, but I really hope it's not true. Can anyone shed some light on this?
 
Werewolf said:
I don't think the chameleon thing has allowed more regenerations.
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Neither do I, if the watch/arch is a common Timelord device (part of a TARDIS? Even an old Type 40.), they wouldn't allow it to have that side effect.
Werewolf said:
IIRC it was the eye of terror (or whatever they called it) that allowed the time lords to regenerate, .
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Werewolf said:
The Tardis and it's ilk were all connected to the same power source on Gallifrey I believe.
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Werewolf said:
Add the two together and you're looking at the possibility that the heart of the tardis is somehow related to the same power that the time lord council used to allow additional regenerations
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**Who fan alert**

The "eye of harmony", the Master tried to use it to regenerate in the Tom Baker episode "The Deadly Assassin". The architect of Timelord power, e Gallifrey captured a black hole as a power source. It was hidden under the Timelord council chambers, the Panopticon. They moved it to the TARDIS for the movie. It long been a theory that TARDISes were connected to the eye, Timelords "sent" power to the Doctor TARDIS in a Troughton ep iirc. The Doctors TARDIS is now power by time rifts. Apparently the gold sparkle stuff is called "Artron energy" helps power the Tardis and also is part of the Timelord physiology. Residual energy grew his hand in the Christmas ep, so good bet its the same stuff. They mention "Huon energy" in the engine core, but its deadly unless you're Catherine Tate.
Werewolf said:
The other option is that the Master we see now is an earlier incarnation, prior to the one that had run out of regenerations
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Um, I wondered that as well. There is a gap from Roger Delgado's Master to the dying 13th regeneration Master of the Deadly Assassin. Unless Delgado' Master was number 12, which is possible, but a possible gap. Only thing is now, with the Time War and no Gallifrey he can't go home at a later point. :confused:
 
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It might be like drinking out of date milk!... (bare with me here!! :D )

The 12/13 Regenerations is a proviso not an absolute!... Its recomended you don't regenerate further than this otherwise things go wrong... Bits fall off... You go Mad (in the Masters case its too late for that!!)... (Just like drinking out of date milk is not a good idea!... You can do it!... But things might go wrong... You can get poisoned... even die!...) So it was made a Law... That over the thousands of years became muddled into an absolute!... You can't go over 13 Regenerations.. Rather 'than its not a good idea to go over 13 regenerations'!...

Probly just ramling here!... sounded good in my head anyhew!! :D
 
tTz said:
I heard a rumour the other day that after the next series, they're stopping altogether. Is this true? I looked on Wikipedia, but found nothing. Apparently it was in a newspaper or magazine, saying that the next series would be the 'last ever'. I suppose that would fit, with the Doctor having used up all of/most of his regenerations, and from a writer's POV, it kind of makes sense to kill him off within a series or two, but I really hope it's not true. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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It was published in the sun and basically claimed that next series is the end.
Given the incredible popularity of the series and the massive merchandising spinoffs I think that this is not something that the BBC will go for.
 
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