Doctor Who

Pigeon_Killer said:
This thread's turned in to an absolute **** show, much like a lot of threads on OcUK these days :(

What happened to people watching TV and just taking it for what it is?

I don't care what ethnicity the characters are, I don't care what sexuality the characters are, if it's well written and well acted I'll probably enjoy it. If it's not, I won't.
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The point is though, that's not why these shows are made, they're not entertainment they are entirely political - everyone can see that. People know when they are being lectured to and preached at. The start point for all these shows and movies is the same - what representation are we having? what messaging are we bringing in? and who are we tearing down? (white men obviously) - Q3 isn't really needed.
 
steve5424 said:
That was the decision of the then showrunner. It's possible RTD may do something to u do all that.

However at the same time the 60 year history is still there and was not erased. They just messed with what came before it.
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RTD is as woke as the rest of the BBC, he's already gone political about the licence fee. Of course fans can ignore the Chibnall retcon and dismiss it as non-canon which is quite right.
 
steve5424 said:
That was the decision of the then showrunner. It's possible RTD may do something to u do all that.

However at the same time the 60 year history is still there and was not erased. They just messed with what came before it.
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I'm sure you watch different versions of the shows the rest of do. You are always defending shows with weak arguments.

Just bite the bullet and acknowledge that these shows are are on a severe downward spiral and are nothing like they were in the past - stop letting your nostalgia cloud your judgement :)
 
My nostalgia isn't doing anything, some old Who was also pretty bad too but I still get enjoyment from it, same as current Who. I don't have to hate on a show just because other people have problems with it.
 
steve5424 said:
That was the decision of the then showrunner. It's possible RTD may do something to u do all that.

However at the same time the 60 year history is still there and was not erased. They just messed with what came before it.
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So the BBC have said that that woman was indeed the first Dr, not Wiliam Hartnell.

screenrant.com

Doctor Who Officially Confirms the Fugitive Doctor Was the First Doctor

The Doctor's true origin is finally revealed!
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So yeah 60 years of Canon thrown onto the woke bonfire.

:rolleyes:
 
Rumours suggest a number of new programmes in the works, like the multiverse they have with Marvel. A new series of Torchwood, a series with K9 and Ace, an Animated series with all the Drs from the past and a series starring Rose possible the real Rose and not the male version.
 
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something daft already!! said:
Rumours suggest a number of new programmes in the works, like the multiverse they have with Marvel. A new series of Torchwood, a series with K9 and Ace, an Animated series with all the Drs from the past and a series starring Rose possible the real Rose and not the male version.
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Now there is no need for that term. What ever the actresses gender it has no bearing on the character they are playing. Rose will be female.
 
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steve5424 said:
Now there is no need for that term. What ever the actresses gender it has no bearing on the character they are playing. Rose will be female.
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Interesting, out of the whole post, that was what you focus on. Sorry, man dressed up as and pretending to be a woman.
 
steve5424 said:
Except that's not what they are. They are trans and not just a man dressing as woman as you put it.
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This is a whole other discussion and not what the point was at all. I find it interesting that they are attempting a multiverse like Marvel and others have tried. Will they succeed? Probably not judging by the way other programmes who have gone who this route an have failed so badly.
 
There is already quite a "multiverse", you only have to look at the books and the audio drama's that Big Finish have been putting out for something like 20 years, with basically every doctor and assistant having stories, not to mention the likes of Unit.

There is already quite an audience for it despite audio dramas being far more niche than TV.
 
PlacidCasual said:
If the product is good you can wear your politics on your sleeve. If all you've got is an agenda then you're stuffed.

People are angry with DrWho because the writing has been going down the pan for years and all the makers have left is often crudely handled political points to make.

Start Trek, TOS and TNG and Quamtum Leap all had stories about important political messges but the product was good. The message wasn't the whole offering. The shows combined the quality story telling with a reflection of our World.

And people need to get off on calling people bigots because they're annoyed about transparent political pandering when the show they have loved has turned to crap.
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Exactly. Does my head in when people use the lazy argument that people are just racist, sexist or whatever else allows them to dismiss any opinion on this topic. There are so many good shows that deal with all the same issues but they actually wrap it up in a good story.

There is absolutely no excuse for writing utter trash that prioritises your political messaging over the core art of telling a good story. You can do both and when you don't and the only thing you manage to do is tick some boxes and make a bland, on the nose commentary about a hot topic you deserve all the flak you get.
 
fez said:
Exactly. Does my head in when people use the lazy argument that people are just racist, sexist or whatever else allows them to dismiss any opinion on this topic. There are so many good shows that deal with all the same issues but they actually wrap it up in a good story.

There is absolutely no excuse for writing utter trash that prioritises your political messaging over the core art of telling a good story. You can do both and when you don't and the only thing you manage to do is tick some boxes and make a bland, on the nose commentary about a hot topic you deserve all the flak you get.
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I agree, I stopped watching modern Who when they started pushing "The Message" rather than making decent stories.

The thing is sci-fi, including Who has always addressed political, cultural and ethical issues, but normally disguises this in the story and uses allegory rather that pushing it the the fore.

Star Trek was the pioneer of this back in the 60's, with Rodenberry using the format to address issues the networks and censors wouldn't let him address.

Classic Who also sometimes delved into politics. A good example is the 4th Doctor's story "The Sunmakers" which took a massive swipe at the 70's tax system, with a repressive regime over-taxing an oppressed people. The main thoroughfare was called "The P45 route"!

The best example of this in recent years is the Orville which has used alien cultures to address modern issues by coming at them from a sideways angle. (E.G. an all male species which sex changes any child born female).
 
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