Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? Part 2 - New Poll **Spoilers**

MoyesIN or MoyesOUT?

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Purdy said:
Everton have won 5 in a row, how often has Moyes done that?
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But Moyes needs time! i laugh every time people say that to me when i'm saying he should be sacked and is nothing more than a mid table manager.

I really could not believe the doubters of Martinez, how can anyone doubt his managing ability if he can win the F.A cup and beating Man City in the final with a budget based on peanuts?

Some people were backing Everton for a relegation battle this season, the guy is a classy manager and has Everton playing football like they would never see in a million under Moyes.
 
I think I would tolerate Moyes being given until Christmas as long as he doesn't go mad with the £100m spending it on dross at his old club.

He needs to hit the ground running next season mind, it's up to him to pinpoint who he wants to strengthen the team and ship those who couldn't be bothered out to other clubs.
 
Managing United is totally differnt to Everton. Martinez has own ideas at Everton. Moyes is stuck somewhere in between his Everton tactics and the "United way".
As long as he buys decent players like he has done at Everton for low prices, I wouldn't mind a overhaul of the mf and defence before getting sacked.
 
"I may think he's the wrong man for the job but doing that with the banner doesn't help anyone.

Looking at that sub, does he think Carrick could be moulded into a good central defender?"



What, for doing what fergie did if we had a shortage of central defenders?
 
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Tute said:
I think I would tolerate Moyes being given until Christmas as long as he doesn't go mad with the £100m spending it on dross at his old club.
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You mean the dross that is comfortably far closer to the Champions League this season than anyone at Man Utd is? ;)
 
sunama said:
I doubt they can finish 6th.
7th is absolutely the right position Moyes should be in. That's how good he and his team are.

There seem to be a lot of people who have faith in Moyes.
First they believed that he could finish in the top 4 (when I was saying that this is in no way possible). And now, still, there are some who believe he can finish in 6th - very very unlikely.

Moyes is and has been terrible this season.
So many negative records (I've lost count) and dragging the reigning champions down to mid-table.
People have been making excuses (the team is old, Man Utd are in transition, etc), but I don't buy any of those excuses.

Furthermore, we need to look at what his former team are doing - they are excelling now that he has left. It proves that Moyes is great at holding teams back. How is this guy expected to win trophies, when he hasnt won a trophy in so many years of management?
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With two points seperating Spurs and Utd - its not whether Utd can get those points its whether the Europa is worth it. Personally I dont think so. GD is massively in Utd's favour so its not even as if Utd need to get the 3rd point.

Its not hard to see how Liverpool have flourished without having to bother with the fatigue of the extra games / travelling without even taking into account the Thusday / Sun schedule.

So far Everton havent won anything either - and no reason to believe they will any time soon either despite how well they have been playing.

There is also no way of knowing at all what Moyes could have done with the additional players / changes Everton have had available this season. Everton have been in the right place (with a decent team created by Moyes) to benefit from Spurs mucking up spending the Bale money, Arsenal doing what they do most years and Man Utd's transition - which has been evident for years even if certain fans dont want to admit it. Well done to Everton, they deserve it.

If they finish in the top four again next season (as its unlikely Spurs, Arsenal and Utd will all fail as dismally as they have this season) then very good for them.
 
FrankJH said:
Everton have been in the right place (with a decent team created by Moyes) to benefit from Spurs mucking up spending the Bale money, Arsenal doing what they do most years and Man Utd's transition - which has been evident for years even if certain fans dont want to admit it. Well done to Everton, they deserve it.
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If you're suggesting the main reason Everton are 5th is due to other team's failings you're doing Everton and Martinez a disservice. We've got more points at this stage of the season than in any previous Premier League, and we're well on target to break our record points total. That's not down to other teams, that's down to us.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
If you're suggesting the main reason Everton are 5th is due to other team's failings you're doing Everton and Martinez a disservice. We've got more points at this stage of the season than in any previous Premier League, and we're well on target to break our record points total. That's not down to other teams, that's down to us.
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Frank tries to convince himself that basically Moyes is fine, he was left a **** team and is in a **** situation at the club at the moment and he would be doing exactly the same as Martinez if not better. I wouldn't take it as a slight against Martinez

I can only pray the boys in charge take this view also.
 
FishFluff said:
Right at the start of his time in charge. When he took over Everton, believe it or not he had us playing bold, attacking football. He was totally different to how he is now!
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lol, I was going to make the joke that it was probably very close to when he joined when the previous managers influence was still larger and he hadn't turned them into a negative pile of poop yet.....

Not in the least surprised it's actually true though.

I keep going back to the two choices for a club expecting to win things is either an extremely new manager, or someone proven to have the winning mentality.

A manager entrenched in the mentality of not losing, someone who spent years not winning is not a good choice and never will be.

A club like Utd should be getting either an Ancelotti, or starting fresh with a Guardiola type appointment. Moyes was the wrong choice in every sense.

Given the chance to step up he did what really is expected, nothing. He's the same manager, trying not to lose games, holding on to narrow leads like he would at Everton. There is a slim chance he can change, but he's shown zero sign of it so far and has had every chance.
 
How many times do you want to repeat the exact same post?

We played much better football last year but it was the first year in quite a lot that it wasn't negative.
 
dannyjo22 said:
We played much better football last year but it was the first year in quite a lot that it wasn't negative.
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The odd game here or there isnt really playing better football. When the chips were down and it was pressure game Moyes resorted to the same old tried and trusted style of foootball, and thats what Man U are getting served up week in week out now.

Long may it continue.
 
drunkenmaster said:
lol, I was going to make the joke that it was probably very close to when he joined when the previous managers influence was still larger and he hadn't turned them into a negative pile of poop yet.....
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The previous manager (Walter Smith) was going to get us relegated, so being turned into a team that was hard to beat was exactly what we needed at that point.

The fact Martinez is (so far) doing a bit better with Everton shouldn't suggest that Moyes isn't a good manager. Before he took over Everton, we were flirting with relegation every season. After he took over, he turned us into a team that were challenging for Europe nearly every season, and finished in the top 8 something like 5 years in a row. That's not something a poor manager would do.

I've said before, but Moyes's problem is that he can't find the balance between trying to manage his way, and the "Man Utd" way. He needs to get back to what he knows best. Yes, it might not be as pretty as some Man Utd fans would like, but it's effective. He did add flair to Everton over the years, bringing in players like Mirallas and Pienaar. Anyone who watched Baines and Pienaar combining will know what good football we were capable of, we weren't simply a long ball team.

Now Moyes has had virtually a season with his players, I'd be really interested to know what areas he thinks need strengthening. It seems obvious to us from watching them, but managers don't always think the same as we do!
 
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