You mean first with 89 points to 7th
Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? Part 2 - New Poll **Spoilers**
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You mean first with 89 points to 7th
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lol...come on now. Chelsea and City were well under managed for years..
Mourinho cracked the premiership twice when he first came..
Also Moyes needs to be given credit for Januzaj as well (admittedly resting him at odd points too). SAF put him on the bench once for his last game, but was never used.
More youth (as well as Powell) need to be given a chance next season even if its just Europa / Carling Cup games and sub apps.
More youth (as well as Powell) need to be given a chance next season even if its just Europa / Carling Cup games and sub apps.
What have you seen tactically with the player we have to suggest that new ones will make all the difference. Any chimp could manage Real Madrid or Bayern to do well but you need a top manager to create a team that is better than the sum of its parts. Moyes is just plain inept and has got us playing awfully against poor opposition.
I don't doubt that with a few seasons and £200m spent he could have us in the top 4 again but a top class manager would be able to take the same resources and have us win the league. He just isn't good enough to take us where we want to go.
Much of this is true Frank and it's not fair to put all of the blame on Moyes, but this season was his chance to show he's got something about him and can rebuild/freshen up the squad. He's done nothing to show that. It's quite the opposite really, he's shown himself to be totally inept. Poor attitude, poor tactics, poor everything. For lack of a better word he's a loser, plain and simple.
The two high points have been Januzaj playing well, and signing Mata. Neither of those, I believe, are directly down to him and his vision or personality.
As for the team, yes, it's weak in places and there has likely been a decline in ability (though you can't say for sure as any team totally robbed of confidence plays badly). The decline has been massive, winning the league by a large margin to 7th is shocking. A few months before Moyes was at the helm, we gave Real Madrid a real game of it over 2 legs, on top of cruising to the title. It doesn't all go down the pan overnight. There is fight in the squad, as well as quality and experience, but he's ruined it.
I've never known United to finish lower than third and be anything but challenging for (and usually running away with) the Premier League title.
Some people are forgetting the results we have had.
5-0 against Leverkusen who where at the time flying in the Bundesliga and unbeaten at home for something like 10 games?
The result we got from arsenal, 1-0 when arsenal were flying.
There have been glimpses.
I think his biggest task is overcoming some of the egos in the side and having the balls to drop someone like RVP or Rooney or force rooney to play in midfield for a few games to help he team out.
Leverkusen have been atrocious in Europe, not just against us. No idea why.
Arsenal just bottled it as usual and were terrible, so we won, with a set piece no less.
Do you know how ridiculous that statement is? What have RM won over the last few years?
"You need a top manager to create a team better than the sum of it's parts" Everton fans would say he did that with them..
The problem with you lads is, you think its an absolute doddle. Unfortunately there is only one winner as well, and the league is twice as competitive as it was. It's far far harder
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No improvement whatsoever, players uninterested it seems in playing for him. Tactics left wanting at times.
Stick Giggs in charge til end of season then bring in a more experienced manager
No improvement whatsoever, players uninterested it seems in playing for him. Tactics left wanting at times.
Stick Giggs in charge til end of season then bring in a more experienced manager
That doesn't change the fact United still got 89 points and lost to both of those teams once in the league lol...come on now.
Of course it changes the fact, can you not see? it's all about confidence..
Accumulated confidence from one of the best man managers, confidence of RVP in his first season, confidence from being at the top. Everything plays a huge role..
Mancini and Rafa were at the helm, Rafa had his own fans slating him. Mancini was a loon! Of course though, no one will take any interest in that and still just blame Moyes. It's all hilarious!
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Where will that come from then? We have a manager who has no confidence in himself, and a squad who have no confidence in him. There's only one way this ends, bar a miracle.
It's quite clear to me at least that the players don't believe in him and think he's a bit of a joke. The same might be said of his coaching staff.
Couple of Guardian articles on that:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/18/manchester-united-champions-league-olympiakos
http://www.theguardian.com/football...evra-david-moyes-manchester-united-olympiakos
..JeezWhen have real madrid been in 7th place in their league over the past few years or not been playing well most of the time. They might not have won much with Barcelona in their pomp but no one has accused them of being poor, playing badly the majority of the time or being easy to beat.
No, he made them a team that was hard to beat, thats all. What competition did he have for the positions in the league he was achieving. He was competing with teams that were better on their day than Everton but were not consistent. Being hard to beat is not the main quality that you want from a United manager.
Lets also ignore the fact that having sold Fellaini they are looking a much better team under Martinez shall we. Most would think that having sold one of their "better" players and losing a "great" manager that they wouldn't be looking so good this season.
Not in the slightest. No one thinks its easy. The thing about jobs that are not easy is that you need someone who is top class and we haven't got that. You are right in one respect however. I do think that its not rocket science to get last years champions to play better than we are and to not be in 7th getting turned over by every man and his dog after supposedly improving the squad to the tune of £60m.
Im struggling to see your point here. In fact I can't see quite what you are trying to say at all in relation to whether Moyes is the right man for the job at United.
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