Maybe he is a lazy so and so, but I'm not sure I believe those rumours. They started as a Twitter joke.
Moyes clearly rates Young, he starts in all the important matches. :/
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Maybe he is a lazy so and so, but I'm not sure I believe those rumours. They started as a Twitter joke.
Moyes clearly rates Young, he starts in all the important matches. :/
I know it's a huge transition and I fully understand it, but lots of matches and seeing him all the time in training should give Moyes an idea of how good he is. Pretty simple really.
You can't just say "it's a big deal so shut up and put up with it" - not going to happen, and rightly so.
I was well and truly behind him for quite a while, and was even looking forward to seeing what he could do when he got appointed.
The old "he needs time" line doesn't always fly, especially when the team are progressively getting worse.
alright, lets transpose this then. what work do you do? imagine being asked to take the biggest job in that industry and asked to re-structure/organise everything the way you want it. Would you not ask for than 7 months? cmon now fella..don't be a fool
I'd have been fired after a month at best, as would pretty much anyone failing in such a position.
If you get a job with that kind of power and that kind of pay, you don't get long to get it right.
I've also sent the club an email with my Football Manager screenshots attached, and put myself forward as Moyes's replacement.
Is that you, David?
You know Moyes is the right man for the job when a Leeds fan is his biggest advocate...
It'd be interesting to see... but I don't believe you can reset polls on VBulletin. So a mod would have to make a new thread with the same poll, and lock this one, I suppose.
This is the gamble we have to take now, either way. If he's allowed to bring in 5 great players and spend, say, £100m, things may well improve. That's if we can even attract his targets. Then we're relying on these new players to all adapt, which doesn't always go well. I mean we need almost a whole new defence and half of a midfield - that's a pretty big rebuilding job. However, if we spend £100m and end up with five David Moyes style players, they might not be much good, and then we're £100m down and the next manager might not want them.
It's a really awkward situation and I do feel the safest option is probably to sack him, however if he gets the right people he could end up turning it around. I'd be much more inclined to back him if I'd taken to his personality, and he was at least trying to play good football, trying out different players, and so forth. He's done very little of that. I know he's under pressure but he just comes across as a blame-shifting, whinge at the press, blame luck, blame the ref, sort of guy.
Our remaining fixture list isn't pretty either. I wouldn't be surprised if we actually lost at least half of the games we have left. If that happens then I can't see him being supported going into the summer.
On top of all this, it's a World Cup year, which makes the transfer window an even bigger pain, so we'll have to try and quickly get all our deals in place as fast as we possibly can. It's going to be a fascinating summer, whatever happens, and likely a stressful one too!
I'd love to see what the Glazers are thinking. Regardless of what the club say, they won't blindly be backing him. I imagine everything he does at the moment is under a microscope within the club, to ensure that when the summer comes, he's definitely up to the job.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ore-threat-than-david-moyes-says-gary-neville
I think Gary has deluded himself a bit here. He's not really making any reasoned points on this aside from repeatedly saying we will always give a manager loads of time no matter how badly he's doing; which is clearly not going to be the case.
That's true, I suppose he can't really say anything else, given his brother is one of Moyes' main men.
Could be this too, or more likely a combination of the two.
It might be. However, all things considered it just looks pretty pathetic and desperate!
Sky should try and keep Neville away from Man Utd related subjects, he can't really be impartial when it comes to the whole Moyes/transition situation, as he's shown. He offers no good reasoning and just repeats the same old rubbish about how the club will stand by the manager no matter what. Why on earth would the Glazers put themselves at the complete mercy of David Moyes? He's just one man, and is doing a terrible job so far. Let's not forget this is a man who has no real credentials to manage the club in the first place. And all the comparisons to Sir Alex are farcical at best, for reasons that shouldn't need to be explained.
As for Neville's tactical insight towards us, it's been pretty rubbish lately too. As someone pointed out above, he kept banging on about how the club simply MUST play wide and with flying wingers, because that's what Man Utd do. How many good teams do that now? Robben and Ribery both cut inside for Bayern, Bale and Ronaldo are usually more central for Real Madrid. It's utterly stupid. The modern winger is a combination of a striker and a more traditional winger, and the best ones are pretty much capable of playing anywhere in the final third.
Moyes' pre-match interview before the Olympiacos game was extremely pessimistic. He said we need to be "compact" and "hard to play against", and that "we hope to try and get ourselves an away goal", "it'll be really tough". "Hopefully we're ready for it". This is against Olympiacos, not Bayern or Real Madrid. For goodness sake man. He also said that we were in a good run of form coming into the match, which is a load of absolute rubbish.
As I've said before, the chances of Moyes eventually turning into Sir Alex Ferguson Mk.II are astronomically small, and that's even before you consider how badly he's done so far. It's like trying to win the lottery twice in a row with the exact same numbers.
As for Neville's tactical insight towards us, it's been pretty rubbish lately too. As someone pointed out above, he kept banging on about how the club simply MUST play wide and with flying wingers, because that's what Man Utd do. How many good teams do that now? Robben and Ribery both cut inside for Bayern, Bale and Ronaldo are usually more central for Real Madrid. It's utterly stupid. The modern winger is a combination of a striker and a more traditional winger, and the best ones are pretty much capable of playing anywhere in the final third.
Moyes' pre-match interview before the Olympiacos game was extremely pessimistic. He said we need to be "compact" and "hard to play against", and that "we hope to try and get ourselves an away goal", "it'll be really tough". "Hopefully we're ready for it". This is against Olympiacos, not Bayern or Real Madrid. For goodness sake man. He also said that we were in a good run of form coming into the match, which is a load of absolute rubbish.
As I've said before, the chances of Moyes eventually turning into Sir Alex Ferguson Mk.II are astronomically small, and that's even before you consider how badly he's done so far. It's like trying to win the lottery twice in a row with the exact same numbers.
We should always be compact where required and obviously hard to play against, but... that was the only thing he focused on (unsurprisingly). Olympiacos didn't seem to be a particularly bad team, but we should be looking to control the game and really take it to them. 1 shot on target?
Things were rocky for a few years, but he took over when the squad was a bit of a mess and we were 21st in the table, and finished 11th. It was up and down after that until it finally stabilised. The chances of this exact same situation playing out to another fantastic conclusion are extremely small, and in this day and age it isn't really a risk you can take. Also, if you look at Ferguson before he joined, he'd done quite a lot of impressive things with Aberdeen, Moyes hasn't got any of that behind him.
I know our squad isn't brilliant, but it's also not that bad. We have to try and assess the capability of David Moyes based on how he's handling the current squad and situation so far, and it's far from good. I'm not sure how anyone can say that it is.
Let's not forget we've got all these mega deals with Chevrolet and potentially Nike all lined up? I can't imagine the future sponsors expected the team to have such a dramatic slump.
Well he's been injured quite a lot lately, but yes, on his day I think he's one of the best wingers around and an absolutely fantastic player. Unfortunately his day doesn't come very often, but even on an off day he's more useful than someone like Young.
Yeah, I don't think it's that bad. It looks significantly worse now they're completely drained of all confidence and have had a 'don't lose' mentality drilled into them.
If Moyes remains then next season we'll hopefully be able to see whatever 'his vision' is for how we play, but at the moment it looks pretty grim. The pressure will be on him even more though having potentially spent £100m odd on players, I'm not sure he can hack it.
As we're going to be held to ransom by clubs and agents and it's a World Cup year, I think we might need to spend a good bit more than £100m. It will depend on who is available, how good they are, and how much we're being ripped off, I don't think there's a specific amount of cash to be spent. I think if we can identify an obtainable solid improvement in any given position then we'll try and get them. It's very interesting to think that our first choice starting eleven could potentially have 5 or 6 new players in it next season! I also think we're going to be taking a few gambles on younger players going into next season, and hoping they can make the step up and improve.
Without Champions League football and with Moyes at the helm I'm not sure we'll be able to sign a single current world class player in a position we need, as the likes of PSG will always be in the market for those people too. Though we did get Mata in unusual circumstances so perhaps the same thing could happen again.
Yes, it wouldn't be worth potentially exposing our rock solid defensive system.
Hang on...
Steve Bruce talking about his strikers?
Fergie has actually spoken about Moyes (briefly):
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...david-moyes-to-be-a-manchester-united-success
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...david-moyes-to-be-a-manchester-united-success
A letter from Moyes in the club magazine: http://www1.skysports.com/football/...manchester-united-fans-after-difficult-season
One thing I have noticed that seems to keep happening, he always says "we".
I'm not sure if people will agree, but I think the big coaches like to make a fuss about themselves, they seem to be the leading man at a club. Moyes seems content to blend into the club and it just seems a bit odd.
This alone doesn't really mean he's not up to the job, but I think based on this sort of evidence his personality is going to need to change quite a bit, and fast.
The whole "we'll hopefully do better and fix things, maybe" sort of stuff is just depressing.
One thing I have noticed that seems to keep happening, he always says "we".
I'm not sure if people will agree, but I think the big coaches like to make a fuss about themselves, they seem to be the leading man at a club. Moyes seems content to blend into the club and it just seems a bit odd.
This alone doesn't really mean he's not up to the job, but I think based on this sort of evidence his personality is going to need to change quite a bit, and fast.
The whole "we'll hopefully do better and fix things, maybe" sort of stuff is just depressing.
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