Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**
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Not financially they havent (edit- which is fundamentally only what the Glazer's care about)
(It could be argued that the stock market value has fallen, but if the owners arent interested in selling this doesnt really make that much difference).
We will only know in a few financial quarter's time (or potentially even longer) if the ~£100m + currently being made in each period has fallen drastically. In that time frame the Chevy deal will have started paying, so it may not even be clear cut then.
firstly the quote said "never" - not in any given time frame
Secondly - Of course he couldnt admit letting go fo Stam was the wrong choice months after - for a whole bunch of reasons apart from the fact he was still the Manager and it could easily be twisted by the press (if it was a current story, not from years previous) to sound like he didnt have faith in the current squad he was managing.
3rd Even behind closed doors he may still believe in Moyes, its not like SAF hasnt been vocal in the past about keeping faith with managers for long periods of time rather than sacking them like most clubs after a few months.
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A letter from Moyes in the club magazine: http://www1.skysports.com/football/...manchester-united-fans-after-difficult-season
One thing I have noticed that seems to keep happening, he always says "we".
I'm not sure if people will agree, but I think the big coaches like to make a fuss about themselves, they seem to be the leading man at a club. Moyes seems content to blend into the club and it just seems a bit odd.
This alone doesn't really mean he's not up to the job, but I think based on this sort of evidence his personality is going to need to change quite a bit, and fast.
The whole "we'll hopefully do better and fix things, maybe" sort of stuff is just depressing.
One thing I have noticed that seems to keep happening, he always says "we".
I'm not sure if people will agree, but I think the big coaches like to make a fuss about themselves, they seem to be the leading man at a club. Moyes seems content to blend into the club and it just seems a bit odd.
This alone doesn't really mean he's not up to the job, but I think based on this sort of evidence his personality is going to need to change quite a bit, and fast.
The whole "we'll hopefully do better and fix things, maybe" sort of stuff is just depressing.
Haha, no, nor do I believe that's the case, but it's just a bit dull. I think he could be a bit more positive, or try and say something different.
I'm very much looking forward to the summer transfer window, I think he'll still be the manager and I very much hope he'll at least get the players he wants and we can take it from there.
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Oh look, more ********. Stop talking David and start showing, every time you open your mouth now i think less of you.
It's got to the point for me where he is so down trodden & the obvious underdog that I want him to turn things around.
Before it was funny to see them suffer a few losses & see him get a kicking but now I want him to buy in a few good players make a decent team & challenge again.
We've done pretty well against them in the past no matter how strong there side was but beating them now just doesn't mean what is used to.
I want a strong Man U & strong opposition so that when/If we win the League or any Cup nobody can see we got it easy or that any of our other close rivals weren't on the top of there game.
So come on Moyes sort it out.
Before it was funny to see them suffer a few losses & see him get a kicking but now I want him to buy in a few good players make a decent team & challenge again.
We've done pretty well against them in the past no matter how strong there side was but beating them now just doesn't mean what is used to.
I want a strong Man U & strong opposition so that when/If we win the League or any Cup nobody can see we got it easy or that any of our other close rivals weren't on the top of there game.
So come on Moyes sort it out.
So in summary:
"I'm sorry for failing so far. Stay supportive of me, you're **** fans if you don't. Don't listen to anyone mocking my ineptness. Trust me to turn it around."
Inspirational stuff.
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A letter from Moyes in the club magazine: http://www1.skysports.com/football/...manchester-united-fans-after-difficult-season
One thing I have noticed that seems to keep happening, he always says "we".
I'm not sure if people will agree, but I think the big coaches like to make a fuss about themselves, they seem to be the leading man at a club. Moyes seems content to blend into the club and it just seems a bit odd.
This alone doesn't really mean he's not up to the job, but I think based on this sort of evidence his personality is going to need to change quite a bit, and fast.
The whole "we'll hopefully do better and fix things, maybe" sort of stuff is just depressing.
It could also be looked at that using "we" is showing he is taking responsibility.
you have (in one way , mistakenly) hit the nail on the head - the big coaches make a fuss about themselves because they are big coaches, Moyes is admitting he still has to prove himself so "we " is everyone at the club...and in some references the supporters too.
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I hope he stays at United for a long time, as the longer he is there the more damage he will do to the club 
I love seeing United struggle but at the same time it just doesn't feel right for some very strange reason. I have never seen them finish below 3rd in all my life so that really is one hell of an achievement from Fergie.
He kind of undone a lot of that though by appointing Moyes, every non United fan knew he was not the man for the job.
I love seeing United struggle but at the same time it just doesn't feel right for some very strange reason. I have never seen them finish below 3rd in all my life so that really is one hell of an achievement from Fergie.
He kind of undone a lot of that though by appointing Moyes, every non United fan knew he was not the man for the job.
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I know that. You know that.
But people (reading from their comments, above), do not agree with your statement.
Man Utd should've brought in a proven winner. Mourinho was available to talk to, at the time Moyes was appointed and I can't think of even 1 reason why Moyes was appointed over Mourinho. Not one.
In fact, nobody has been able to explain to me what Moyes has actually done to be rewarded with (arguably) the top job in English football. My understanding is that he has never won a trophy.
3 big clubs appointed new managers last Summer.
Chelsea. current league position: 1
Man City. current league position: 4 (with games in hand)
Man Utd: current league position: 7
Why oh why did we have to get the manager with no previous experience of winning.
Unless Man Utd go on an unbeaten run, I can't see why Moyes should be allowed to continue past this Summer. The guy buys Mata and then focuses on crossing. If the plan was to focus on crossing I'd have bought Crouch for a fraction of the price + the fastest winger money could buy. Not Mata.
If you spend some time reading on Largs and the people there you will realise Moyes was the best qualified UK coach for the job apart from Ferguson. Largs is world famous and Jose went there just like AVB and Moyes and they are all given advice in groups by the great coaches like SAF personally through the courses. Jose AVB Moyes all know each other well from there this is why relations are so friendly among that crowd. Google also have various links on his philisophy and on paper he sounds more like a young visionary manager.
In reality its been the opposite from the outside with Guardiola ( My Choice) leaving him for dead both on and off the pitch. Moyes takes a side lacking movement, triangles, energy and quick tempo passing since 2009 (Barcelona final) and this is 2014 its only now being temporarily fixed with Mata. He has stick to a plain old 4-4-2 and not picked up on the inability to supply them and squeeze out the clubs wingers for creative talent.
Kagawa has a video online with him versus Olympiakos showing how bad we are playing fast and quick and picking out players like him and Mata. This is all linked to my second paragraph and Moyes tactics. Young and Valencia cant remain at his club with two strikers who dont feed off crosses and Cleverly and Carrick lack the ability to control midfield. So why not try something Guardiola style for the rest of the season?
Try Carrick and Jones in central defence like Guardiola has done with Macherano and Martinez stick to your damm rotten 4-4-2 and play Mata Fletcher Fellaini Cleverly as the midfield four with Mata cutting inside and controlling play behind two strikers and the other 3 holding as a 3 man unit? Cleverly on that side can face inwards and do his sideways passing he has been frowned upon because of to much better effect feeding a RB ST or MC. It would at least shore us up until the end of the season until we can bring in someone like Kroos, Gundogan or Koke. I dont even think we should buy a CB next season i think we should go all out on midfield for 3 world class players and use Carrick or Fellaini like Guardiola does shielding a younger CB pairing of Jones and Smalling perhaps. I like the idea of Evra Smalling Carrick Jones Rafael in a Liverpool style 5-3-2 for a season and evolve into a 4-2-3-1 when we get midfield sorted that does not involve Carrick.
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Imagine the backlash if we lose. A draw is a terrible result too though.
I do believe Moyes has got to show something in these remaining games, if we continue to perform as we have since the start of the year, they really won't want to keep him come the summer. As much as the squad might be weak in places, a top coach would work around that and get some good results one way or another.
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A win today gets him nothing in my books. It's West Brom, I'm not giving you plaudits for spanking them when your team has a monetary value 10x that of the one you're playing.
If there is no improvement to his selection and tactics, it means nothing. He's learnt sweet **** all in the 8-9 months of having the job.
If there is no improvement to his selection and tactics, it means nothing. He's learnt sweet **** all in the 8-9 months of having the job.
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Because he went to a specific place to get his coaching badges... he was the most qualified? Complete rubbish, also afaik Jose and AVB don't get on. Jose wouldn't give AVB a shot at coaching/assistant manager and left him as a scout for ages before AVB basically told him where to stick his lowly scouting job.
If anything it suggests more than anything the old boys club theory, Moyes knew people and had good networking links from being at Largs, and thus got his shot as Fergie tried to keep it in the family so to speak. A way MANY people get top jobs around the world based on where they've been trained/when to uni/clubs they were in/etc.
How many people have got their badges at largs and WEREN'T any good?
The video on Olympiacos is hilariously awful, it decides that every time, like literally every time a short pass is ignored for a longer pass it is automatically the wrong decision. When I watch the video a large number of the passes it decides are wrong, are the better pass choice. Nothing hugely wrong to passing to someone in not much space, but in a huge portion of the situations on the tape someone has come far too close, has way too many opposition players in and around them and the pass to someone further forward with far fewer opposition players around them is the sensible pass. Someone miss controlling that pass doesn't make the pass choice wrong as was the case on many occasions.
Moyes being friends with top managers is not a credential, Moyes having done his badges at a specific location does not make him a great manager. Great teaching can help make great managers better, but good teaching doesn't automatically mean good students or successful students. Regardless of where he did his badges, we've seen 10 years of him at Everton that screamed in every possible way... not a top manager, not a winner. He was not even slightly the best qualified manager for the job, "can't win" made him one of the least qualified managers in the world.
Now, if Fergie heard about some fresh faced manager who just aced his way through Largs and had been hugely impressive and recommended by the guys running the place and they took a risk on an unproven manager. I'd say that isn't insane, but Moyes wasn't that man, he's spent 10 years NOT winning, losing big games, showing a poor mentality, playing "meh" football and not getting the best out of many of his creative players. You can not lose getting the best out of your defence, but you won't win titles not getting the best out of your attackers. I still don't rate Anichebe, but even he's improved not being under Moyes.
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