Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

MoyesIN or MoyesOUT?

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Trusty said:
He's been given a new contract though, Moyes is probably thinking he can get the best out of him next season or what not, i presume he'll start Nani at OT for the 2nd leg of the cl as well. Big match player Nani can be..if he's fit,not sure if he is though..
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He hqs been given a new contract to protect his sell on value as much as anything.

Surprised he has hung on this long but maybe somewhere like Italy ( with a couple of teams showing a little interest) he may work out better.


Robbo, I only mentioned £100m because that was the figure your quote initially mentioned. From the sounds of things. Utd are not just showing interest in mega stars like Kroos, Reus etc but also the equivelant of the new Evra / Vidic that come in with much smaller price tags attached.

With a few sales (Nani, Young, Valencia, Chicharito?) and a few more budget buys Utd should be able to get 3 or 4 really promising well known players plus a few lesser known ones for around the £100m. ( but that does of course depend highly on who / how many big stars show interest)

It was only last summer when Falcao chose Monaco, and Moutinheo (sp) who were not in the CL. Admittedly star quality of the latter is questionable but the former was wanted by loads of clubs. EPL may not be the best in the world but surely its better than Ligue 1, and far more competitive.


Edit - Give credit where its due at the very least. Moyes may not have won anything at Everton, but he DID do astoundingly well to finish 5th/6th most years on Everton's miniscule budget when clubs around him where spending tens of millions more at least most years.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
He certainly hasn't done terribly at Everton, but everything he did showed quite obviously where his limits were. You don't have to be at a big club to win things.

There are two types of successful managers who really should be the choices for a big job, a proven successful manager, IE someone who has won things before preferably with a bigger team and more consistently, or someone who has never managed before.
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I stopped reading when i saw the stuff in bold. lol...yeah yeah do that DM, that's how you select a manager

FrankJH said:
He hqs been given a new contract to protect his sell on value as much as anything.

Surprised he has hung on this long but maybe somewhere like Italy ( with a couple of teams showing a little interest) he may work out better.
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Yeah of course, needed to protect his contract because he's a good player and won't be leaving i assume. I reckon Moyes can get inside his head and get him playing for him, Nani is a very good player really, he just lacks concentration. I doubt he'll be leaving..
 
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I suppose DM means the ex-player Guardiola types, if you're going to throw the dice on a manager making the step up it might as well be on someone who can adapt and are likely to bring in a fresh outlook, rather than someone who is clearly stuck in their ways.
 
FrankJH said:
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It was only last summer when Falcao chose Monaco.
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With Falcao, it was more of a case of Monaco were the only ones prepared to pay the astronomical transfer fee and wages, plus CL or no CL, monaco is rather a nice place to goto, which always helps!
 
mmj_uk said:
I suppose DM means the ex-player Guardiola types, if you're going to throw the dice on a manager making the step up it might as well be on someone who can adapt and are likely to bring in a fresh outlook, rather than someone who is clearly stuck in their ways.
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It's okay, I only checked what he said because you mentioned me after he posted, he's the ONLY person I have on ignore in the whole forum. ULtra troll who knows absolutely nothing about football.

Fact is I gave a list of people who started off at very prestigious clubs. Guardiola, Capello, Mourinho, Cruyff, Van Gaal, Rijkaard, Hiddink, Aragones and many others. A way to describe this list would be, managers that won everything, and have repeatedly moved clubs(most of them) and won more of everything, then done it again and again and many of them make up the currently considered best managers in the game.

Of course there are exceptions, but the majority of guys who hit success, have it early on, within a few years. Not every manager can instantly become the manager of Ajax, Barcelona, PSV, Real Madrid. But the potential in almost any top manager is evident quickly, within a few years.

I can't think of almost any managers who did nothing for a decade then suddenly moved to a top job and became great. Heynckes, Wenger, benitez, most of these guys started showing something either straight away or within a few years, not a decade down the line.

I can think of almost no one(particularly no one I would consider in the top say 40-50 managers current or in the past decade) that managed for a decade achieving nothing before going on to win things. As you say, Moyes has "don't lose" engrained in him by over a decade managing that way. New managers, and experienced winners, don't have the engrained don't lose mentality.

It's also worth pointing out that huge numbers of managers who start at top clubs, are ex players of that club. Most of the Ajax guys(and that is a tradition still going on), Barca and Madrid managers, Aragones was an Atletico man and that was his first managing job as well. Like Milan going with Seedorf who lots of people on here thought would be a disaster(he still might be to be fair). Milan won 5 of 19 games before he took over and have won 4 in 6 since he took over.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
It's okay, I only checked what he said because you mentioned me after he posted, he's the ONLY person I have on ignore in the whole forum. ULtra troll who knows absolutely nothing about football.

Fact is I gave a list of people who started off at very prestigious clubs. Guardiola, Capello, Mourinho, Cruyff, Van Gaal, Rijkaard, Hiddink, Aragones and many others. A way to describe this list would be, managers that won everything, and have repeatedly moved clubs(most of them) and won more of everything, then done it again and again and many of them make up the currently considered best managers in the game.

Of course there are exceptions, but the majority of guys who hit success, have it early on, within a few years. Not every manager can instantly become the manager of Ajax, Barcelona, PSV, Real Madrid. But the potential in almost any top manager is evident quickly, within a few years.

I can't think of almost any managers who did nothing for a decade then suddenly moved to a top job and became great. Heynckes, Wenger, benitez, most of these guys started showing something either straight away or within a few years, not a decade down the line.

I can think of almost no one(particularly no one I would consider in the top say 40-50 managers current or in the past decade) that managed for a decade achieving nothing before going on to win things. As you say, Moyes has "don't lose" engrained in him by over a decade managing that way. New managers, and experienced winners, don't have the engrained don't lose mentality.

It's also worth pointing out that huge numbers of managers who start at top clubs, are ex players of that club. Most of the Ajax guys(and that is a tradition still going on), Barca and Madrid managers, Aragones was an Atletico man and that was his first managing job as well. Like Milan going with Seedorf who lots of people on here thought would be a disaster(he still might be to be fair). Milan won 5 of 19 games before he took over and have won 4 in 6 since he took over.
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Lol, is this the list? all your dudes are foreign...what do they know about the British game? Glasgow massive init...;)
 
Fergie has actually spoken about Moyes (briefly):

Sir Alex Ferguson believes David Moyes will be a success at Manchester United and should be given time to improve the team.

"They (United) will be all right," said Ferguson, speaking in Los Angeles at a party thrown by British Consul-General Chris O'Connor ahead of the Oscars.

"It's early days and there have been a lot of changes. He (Moyes) needs time. I was there for 27 years, so with a new manager, it takes time. But they'll be okay."
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/...david-moyes-to-be-a-manchester-united-success
 
Shamikebab said:
It's not like he has ever admitted he's wrong.
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He would and will never say that he made a mistake with Moyes while he is still manager. It was a stupid question to ask Ferguson as he was never going to give any other answer regardless of what he actually thinks.
 
But he only admitted the Stam story, many years after he was sold.
He didnt admit to the error in judgement within a few months of the incident.
The only way I see it is if the Glazers themselves pull the plug and tell Moyes that they simply cannot afford to financially allow things to go further downhill.

The Glazers will not allow things to decline if it means that their financial interest in the club is at significant risk.
 
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