Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

MoyesIN or MoyesOUT?


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^Disregard injuries. Moyes is still clueless, we have the players to at least beat teams like WBA, Sunderland, Stoke etc. Not struggle against these bottom league clubs, you'd think we didn't win the Pl last season
 
^Disregard injuries. Moyes is still clueless, we have the players to at least beat teams like WBA, Sunderland, Stoke etc. Not struggle against these bottom league clubs, you'd think we didn't win the Pl last season

Ah, a rule for one but not for another, I see how you work.
 
Can't stand modern football fans and their obsession with sacking as soon as things start to go a bit wrong. He needs a couple seasons to build his own team, if he sucks after that then fair enough get rid.
 
Can't stand modern football fans and their obsession with sacking as soon as things start to go a bit wrong. He needs a couple seasons to build his own team, if he sucks after that then fair enough get rid.
What is it you people don't understand? It's not about results. It's his playing style, his inability to play players in their correct positions, his dumbass interviews that make you angry, no tactics other than "cross the ball to Valencia", dumbass substitutions etc.

Why should players of RvP's and Mata's calibre get coached by Phil Neville.
 
You guys need to give him more time to put his team together. Some more big name signings like Peter Crouch and Bentner for the new style of play might help.
 
What is it you people don't understand? It's not about results. It's his playing style, his inability to play players in their correct positions, his dumbass interviews that make you angry, no tactics other than "cross the ball to Valencia", dumbass substitutions etc.

Why should players of RvP's and Mata's calibre get coached by Phil Neville.

Meh, if you were winning you wouldn't be kicking up a fuss about the style of play. It's mainly about the results, trying to make out it isn't isn't fooling anyone.

You think you'd be playing glorious attractive football of mourinho took over ?

Patience, you have none... this is what happens when you've had too much time at the top.
 
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Fergie wasn't infallible, particularly when it came to signings tbh...Moyes is unfortunately of the Djemba Djemba variety rather than the Cantona variety.

I'm old enough to remember life before Fergie and the early years that people keep banging on about, what I don't remember is the poor attitudes and lack of commitment being shown...United has always been about proactive attractive attacking football, it's the fundamental underlying mantra of the club...and yet they appoint David Moyes, a reactive defensive manager whose history shows a pragmatic rather than adventurous approach to football.

Sometimes even the most influential and respected figures just need to be ignored....and Moyes appointment was one such time.

Im the same - Im also old enough to remember that kind of football, but its not Moyes fault that SAF got him to inherit such a **** midfield, and yes SAF has been whinging for years about getting value for money (or words to that affect) but at the end of the day sometimes you need to spend £37m (or whatever) to get the player you need.

Vidic and Rio should have been replaced at least a year ago, and a worthy replacement of Evra (despite Fabio not working out as well as his brother) should have also been in the plans, thats even without coming to the terrible midfiled (and SAF knew the disaster that was waiting to happen after Scholes' first retirement).

Of course its partially Moyes' fault for the attrocious summer, thats not in question. However I think its more to do with David Gill going at the same time, and a marketing man coming in his place and trying to attract players and failing just as badly (as Moyes) if not worse.

Im not sure why Utd didnt buy out 2 months of Moyes' contract with Everton so he could step into Carrington the day after the season finished (even if he then had a couple of weeks holiday) it would have given him at least another month or so extra to do some dealing rather than a rush job before going off on tour a couple of weeks after arriving.

Ok I seem to recall Everton flirting with relegation under Moyes for one season, but given the tiny budget he has had getting in the top 6 is incredible (with very few outstanding players but a decent squad).

They needed to do more in Jan without question, and I honestly dont know why Moyes didnt spend £50m on the Porto pair of Mangala and The Octopus (without a doubt its a huge amount of money, but on the other its one season of Chevy sponsorship) - even if the latter ends up as a squad player its a position we needed fixing urgently and for £10m for that position its a good deal. Ok its debatable whether the inexperience but promise of the centre half is worth £40m but given the crazy prices all players are going for (and the Nike deal coming along) - its not like Utd HAVE to be budget concious for FFP reasons (after all Veron was a complete failure at Utd costing £30m being an international and club success before coming - so even these players arent gaurenteed to work).

Moyes deserves more time, Utd dont NEED CL football (although of course it will help attract new players in the summer) and its not like 4th is out of reach even now.

Every team has freakish results due to injuries and freak weather conditions (not helped by the stadium you happen to be playing in that weekend - and a bit of help from the incompetant ref),

Its only natural for a team to struggle after having two injuries in the same position whithin the first 45 mins (although Moyes I think is fully at fualt for starting Evans if his strain only lasted 10 minutes before being subbed)

When fit who would have been definite starter at the beginning of the season ? De Gea, Rafael, Evra , Carrick, Rooney and RvP - and even then Evra has had a debatable last season or two and RvP has had two clear seasons from major injury in the last 5 or 6 years (or seems that long). Not really even a decent foundation for fourth to be fair however good SAF's intimate knowledge of the squad has made it look for the last few years (helped by other teams not challanging that hard until this season)
 
Can't stand modern football fans and their obsession with sacking as soon as things start to go a bit wrong. He needs a couple seasons to build his own team, if he sucks after that then fair enough get rid.

Would you give somebody that pays £27m on Fellaini more time and money? Fellaini's **** and should never have signed for Utd, even on a free.
 
Would you give somebody that pays £27m on Fellaini more time and money? Fellaini's **** and should never have signed for Utd, even on a free.

He's hardly the first manager to ***** a load of money on a pile of dross. Although I would say his strength is in the 3-5m mark and making them worth much more.

United fans though wouldn't suffer him finding an Arteta for 2-3m or a baines for 5-6m. They want signings that "wouldn't be on the bench at Real Madrid".
 
I don't think that's true though. Take the window just gone, sure there may not be a world class midfielder available in january...but our entire midfield needs an overhaul. They're not all going to be world class so why couldn't we find someone who was an improvement on Giggs, Jones, Fletcher, Cleverley?
 
UTD don't wait for success. Moyes is way over his head. Can't say he is a bad manager as he has been giving a mountain to climb but he isn't a big club manager. He is a mid table team manager... oh wait.
 
Would you give somebody that pays £27m on Fellaini more time and money? Fellaini's **** and should never have signed for Utd, even on a free.

Would i give somebody that paid £60,000 for Seamus Coleman more time and money, yes... yes i would. He made some amazing signings at Everton and his record is generally pretty good in the transfer market.

One bad signing, who in the long run might not even turn out to be that bad does not rule out 10 years of mostly good signings.

Ferguson has made god knows how many clangers, infact id say over their careers Moyes has done far better in the transfer market than Ferguson who has done some massive clangers in his time.

Veron, Kleberson, Djemba Djemba, Bebe, Forlan, Young, Tosic, Anderson, Nani... some of whome were big money signings and have never come close to justifying their price tags.

Ferguson also let Pique, Rossi, Stam and Pogba go.
 
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I don't think that's true though. Take the window just gone, sure there may not be a world class midfielder available in january...but our entire midfield needs an overhaul. They're not all going to be world class so why couldn't we find someone who was an improvement on Giggs, Jones, Fletcher, Cleverley?

I think maybe because there is so much pressure and so little time left for him that a 5m player that could grow to be a baines or a 3m Arteta just wouldn't have cut it. If he'd done that the United fans would be laughing at the lack of quality signings and pedalling out the line again that big names wouldn't come to united.

You can't have it both ways. I'm sure they have their summer targets whether he's there to go for them is doubtful.
 
United fans rim Ferguson at every chance but at the same time won't take his advice in giving the manager time.

I hate the modern football culture of needing instant success, fans are heavily to blame for it as well.
 
Would you give somebody that pays £27m on Fellaini more time and money? Fellaini's **** and should never have signed for Utd, even on a free.

Fergie bought quite a number of dodgy players too (even for decent money at the time)

For right or wronf Fellaini was a decent player at Everton - ok he HAS been a disaster at Utd but he hasnt exactly been available for selection for that many matches either (I dont like him as a player but I hoped he would be more effective further back than he has been)

I think maybe because there is so much pressure and so little time left for him that a 5m player that could grow to be a baines or a 3m Arteta just wouldn't have cut it. If he'd done that the United fans would be laughing at the lack of quality signings and pedalling out the line again that big names wouldn't come to united.
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Dont agree with this at all. Given the sate of Anderson, Giggs, and Fletcher (because of his illness) ANY new player would have been considered as strengthening (in Jan).

dont get me wrong if Moyes had presented the same player as a major signing last summer (or next summer) for that matter, then yes you would be right - but an £8-10m player in the right position (ie LB or CM) would have been cheered from the rafters if for no other reason than its SOME improvement in the area(s) required ready for the push for 4th. Everyone knows its difficult to say the least to get quality players in Jan - it can be done but its very difficult.
 
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He needs to go but I think more importantly so does SAF you can't have him hanging round the club stalking the corridors of power, let him attend matches and do the corporate thing but having him in the hierarchy is a bad idea.
 
United fans rim Ferguson at every chance but at the same time won't take his advice in giving the manager time.

I hate the modern football culture of needing instant success, fans are heavily to blame for it as well.

yeah it's ridiculous, i wonder as a percentage, how many fans have actually played 90 min 11 v 11 competitive football? And i mean more than the odd game here and there..it'd be interesting
 
I think one more season let him have this summer after evaluating the team this season etc then see end of next season. (For fear of risking relegation lol)
 
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