Poll: Does David Moyes need to go? **Spoilers**

MoyesIN or MoyesOUT?


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Would i give somebody that paid £60,000 for Seamus Coleman more time and money, yes... yes i would. He made some amazing signings at Everton and his record is generally pretty good in the transfer market.

One bad signing, who in the long run might not even turn out to be that bad does not rule out 10 years of mostly good signings.

Ferguson has made god knows how many clangers, infact id say over their careers Moyes has done far better in the transfer market than Ferguson who has done some massive clangers in his time.

Veron, Kleberson, Djemba Djemba, Bebe, Forlan, Young, Tosic, Anderson, Nani... some of whome were big money signings and have never come close to justifying their price tags.

Ferguson also let Pique, Rossi, Stam and Pogba go.

He ousted Becks as well, monumental mistake because of Fergie's ego. Moyes get's through the door and manages to keep Rooney not only happy but getting him playing arguably the most intelligent football of his career. Just got a new contract Rooney has, hmmmm....he obviously has no faith in the man that got him to one of the biggest clubs in the world. It's actually quite a fairytale between a manager and player..no doubt some of the Man U fan's don't see it that way though
 
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United fans rim Ferguson at every chance but at the same time won't take his advice in giving the manager time.

I hate the modern football culture of needing instant success, fans are heavily to blame for it as well.

I wanted to give him time as much as anyone, but I genuinely believe he's a questionable appointment.

Tell me, what are the chances of getting two very long serving, successful managers in succession? Pretty damn low, if not close to impossible. The only reason there isn't more outrage is because of what SAF said. People are wanting to stand by him because of what our greatest manager said, but even he will be thinking the same. "Maybe I've made the wrong call..."

He's taken over a team who all know each other, and who even last season, didn't play the greatest football. However, Moyes has managed to completely sap them all of any confidence, and his comments are just pathetic. Thinking we played really well in a loss to Stoke is just beyond stupid. I don't want to hear it. We didn't play well, anyone with a pair of eyes can see that. I completely accept the players are to blame as well, but you can't let a manager with basically no credentials build a whole new team like this. The team he wants to build sounds great, Fabregas, Vidal, Cavani - brilliant. Doesn't he realise the chance of getting those players is extremely low. So far he's shown no proof he'd be able to get the best out of them either.

Then you have people saying "it's not his team". A good manager can pretty much get the best out of any team, the squad of players he has at present are good enough to win most games. Against most teams we have superior players almost man-for-man, but we have no fight and just lose with a whimper.

People are listing Moyes' strengths, okay, he's a good manager and I've always maintained that. However, he's apparently not the kind of manager who suits a top club. He doesn't have a big personality, he doesn't take any risks, he's good at buying bargain basement players who turn out well. At Manchester United you don't need to buy players that cost peanuts, there's no room for the risk.
 
Come on, there's no doubt about it. Fellaini's a dreadful player, everybody could see that from his time at Everton.

What ? He was very good at everton for large spells of his time there, he just lacked the consistency that the very top players have. If he's so bad why is he a regular and very important player for a very strong Belgium squad ? Have you forgotten he tore you to shreds a couple seasons ago ? Played well in the 4-4 draw that cost you the title as well.

Granted he's not worth near £27 million (£14m player I reckon) but you're an idiot if you think he is a dreadful player. He's still relatively young as well.

Tbh you're really coming across as pretty clueless all round.
 
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As a supporter, my personal thought is give him this season and possibly the transfer window. Realistically I see us in the Europa league next year. I am not optimistic enough for the CL. In the grand scheme of things, I'd be happy with one bad season if it means improving over the medium/long term.
 
I wanted to give him time as much as anyone, but I genuinely believe he's a questionable appointment.

Tell me, what are the chances of getting two very long serving, successful managers in succession? Pretty damn low, if not close to impossible. The only reason there isn't more outrage is because of what SAF said. People are wanting to stand by him because of what our greatest manager said, but even he will be thinking the same. "Maybe I've made the wrong call..."

He's taken over a team who all know each other, and who even last season, didn't play the greatest football. However, Moyes has managed to completely sap them all of any confidence, and his comments are just pathetic. Thinking we played really well in a loss to Stoke is just beyond stupid. I don't want to hear it. We didn't play well, anyone with a pair of eyes can see that. I completely accept the players are to blame as well, but you can't let a manager with basically no credentials build a whole new team like this. The team he wants to build sounds great, Fabregas, Vidal, Cavani - brilliant. Doesn't he realise the chance of getting those players is extremely low. So far he's shown no proof he'd be able to get the best out of them either.

Then you have people saying "it's not his team". A good manager can pretty much get the best out of any team, the squad of players he has at present are good enough to win most games. Against most teams we have superior players almost man-for-man, but we have no fight and just lose with a whimper.

People are listing Moyes' strengths, okay, he's a good manager and I've always maintained that. However, he's apparently not the kind of manager who suits a top club. He doesn't have a big personality, he doesn't take any risks, he's good at buying bargain basement players who turn out well. At Manchester United you don't need to buy players that cost peanuts, there's no room for the risk.

Decent post mate and I agree with some of it, not got time to respond properly at moment as on phone.
 
Rival supporter here & I think he's doing a marvellous job, Cheers Moyes. :D
 
...did you just suggest Baz is a Utd fan?

How many United games have you watched this year starwarsisgash?

Enough to know moyes isn't doing a good job and fellaini has been poor when he's not been injured.

That doesn't mean both of them are awful and should be written off, I'm not part of the new breed of fans with no patience. I believe in giving people a decent amount of time to see what they can do, it's only fair.
 
Against most teams we have superior players almost man-for-man, but we have no fight and just lose with a whimper.
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To be fair when our best midfielder has to play at centre-half, and the rest of the midfiled is a load of **** - its not that surprising. Even on a good day our CM is weak, but with two centre-half's going off injured will affect any team no matter who you are

(Even Barca lost at the weekend, *** happens, some are making a mountain out of a molehill while ignoring the bug dollop of do-do that SAF left as a squad)
 
To be fair when our best midfielder has to play at centre-half, and the rest of the midfiled is a load of **** - its not that surprising. Even on a good day our CM is weak, but with two centre-half's going off injured will affect any team no matter who you are

(Even Barca lost at the weekend, *** happens, some are making a mountain out of a molehill while ignoring the bug dollop of do-do that SAF left as a squad)

As we saw last season, you don't need much of a midfield to win. Stoke just kept hitting random long balls and it worked to some extent.

For me it's not about the result, more the result AND the manner/mentality of the loss and the team. It's pretty terrible. When Mata, RvP and Rooney can barely string 2 passes together, you've got to be seriously concerned.

I think we should have brought in some squad players/potential first team midfielders in the transfer window. It's all well and good waiting for Vidal, Pogba or whoever else we'll probably never get, but you need people to rotate with them as well, and they might even turn out brilliantly.

I still think Mata, Rooney and RvP can carry us in games, but if we continue to look as bad as we have lately, we'll finish 7th or worse.
 
The squad that Fergie left is not as bad as is being suggested, it had big flaws but is still a strong squad easily capable of top 4. The problem is that Moyes is getting the best from none of them bar Rooney and Januzaj. Nearly every player has declined since Moyes took over.
 
Rival supporter here & I think he's doing a marvellous job, Cheers Moyes. :D

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The squad that Fergie left is not as bad as is being suggested

It really is.

De Gea and Lindegaard are decent enough now.

Mata, Rooney, RvP are absolutely no worry.

Evra is rubbish, Jones doesn't have a position and doesn't look good enough wherever he plays, Rio is too old, Vidic is injury suspect, Rafael might continue improving but he's going to get too many red cards IMO, Evans would be OK with a very good centre half alongside him, Giggs is too old, Smalling looks OK in patches but seems to have some lapses in concentration. Hernández is a sub, Carrick is good enough but also aging and not progressive enough often enough, Nani doesn't appear to be getting a chance although I think he's the best winger there on his game. Welbeck is ****, Ashley Young is ****, Cleverly is average at best, Fletcher is still an unknown but was never the best anyway, Valencia is one dimensional, as is Fellaini. Buttner doesn't appear to be good enough, Januzaj looks like he has a big future.

Just where is all of that 'not as bad as is being suggested'? Keepers aside it seems to me there's 3 players good enough that doesn't have big injury concerns around them (RvP aside, I suppose) and an up-and-coming player in Januzaj.

The defence is either too old or rash, the midfield is either too old or simply not good enough.
 
It really is.

De Gea and Lindegaard are decent enough now - De Gea is one of the best young keepers in

Mata, Rooney, RvP are absolutely no worry.

Evra is rubbish, Jones doesn't have a position and doesn't look good enough wherever he plays, Rio is too old, Vidic is injury suspect, Rafael might continue improving but he's going to get too many red cards IMO, Evans would be OK with a very good centre half alongside him, Giggs is too old, Smalling looks OK in patches but seems to have some lapses in concentration. Hernández is a sub, Carrick is good enough but also aging and not progressive enough often enough, Nani doesn't appear to be getting a chance although I think he's the best winger there on his game. Welbeck is ****, Ashley Young is ****, Cleverly is average at best, Fletcher is still an unknown but was never the best anyway, Valencia is one dimensional, as is Fellaini. Buttner doesn't appear to be good enough, Januzaj looks like he has a big future.

Just where is all of that 'not as bad as is being suggested'? Keepers aside it seems to me there's 3 players good enough that doesn't have big injury concerns around them (RvP aside, I suppose) and an up-and-coming player in Januzaj.

The defence is either too old or rash, the midfield is either too old or simply not good enough.

De Gea - One of the best young keepers in the world, can be an excellent foundation for years to come
Lindegaard - A satisfactory backup

Rafael - Has an aggressive streak yes, but is still a top right back. Excellent in defence and great at supporting a poor winger going forwards.
Smalling - Unsure really, haven't seen enough of him. He's definitely a centre back but we need to see more of him, could be a good backup at worst.
Jones - Doesn't have a position? Well whose ******* fault is that? Perhaps Fergie and now Moyes should try and get him regularly playing at centre back.
Evans - A good defender, no preoblem with him.
Rio - Not got long left, will likely be replaced in the summer
Vidic - Unfortunately injury prone but is still a good defender.
Evra - Not the best at the back but part of that is the pressure we place on our full backs to create chances, regularly 70-80% of the attacking play goes through him and Rafael.
Buttner - An unspectacular backup in every way.
Fletcher - Been a great servant to the club and it's great to see him back, shouldn't be first choice though.
Carrick - Having a poor season, whether that's injuries, attitude, mismanagement...who knows.
Giggs - Should retire.
Fellaini - Too early to say really but he looks average at best.
Young - Needs to go if we can find someone gullible. Sure he scores a stunner every so often but his general play is gak.
Nani - Will never be given the chance despite his quality. Fergie didn't like him and despite his injuries it seems Moyes will always prefer 'workmen' like Valencia over him as well.
Kagawa - His omission is the biggest sign that Moyes hasn't got a ******* clue.
Januzaj - The sky's the limit.
Valencia - Has shown sparks of his old self but they're few and far between. Can be a backup at best
Mata - Should be a great player for us
Rooney - No comment needed
Van Persie - No comment needed
Hernandez - A great option for us, with a better midfield behind him would be far more effective.
Welbeck - Needs to be consistent, has shown signs of it but his erratic form is frustrating.

Add in a couple of midfielders and a centre back (when Rio retires) and left back (and probably a backup for Rafael as well) and that is still a team capable of challenging for the title. The problem is Moyes getting nothing from our strengths and using our weak players too much. (Young starting, Kagawa not even on the bench...)

And then there are people like Zaha, Lingaard and Powell on loan who could still have a part to play.
 
Add in a couple of midfielders and a centre back (when Rio retires) and left back (and probably a backup for Rafael as well) and that is still a team capable of challenging for the title.

So, replace 4-5 players and you can challenge for the title? Couldn't the same be said for a lot of the teams in the top 7-8?

The simple fact is Man Utd simply aren't good enough at the moment, irrespective of the manager. I'm a realistic Everton fan, I know we're not good enough to challenge at the very top of the table, but when I look at the Man Utd team and honestly say that at least half of them wouldn't get into Everton's team, you know something is wrong with Man Utd's squad.
 
It really is.

They walked the league last year, and could have finished even more than the 11 points ahead of the 2nd place team if they didn’t switch right off after they won it.

There has been a 30point swing near enough when compared with Arsenal (as it stands). I think people are rewriting the quality of the squad left behind by Fergie to cover for Moyes ineptitude.

Long may he continue though.
 
So, replace 4-5 players and you can challenge for the title? Couldn't the same be said for a lot of the teams in the top 7-8?

Most of that is replacing players who are reaching the end of their career at top flight level, that just happens.

if that's all that was needed for most clubs then Spurs would be challenging for the title this year.

We could probably get by with 3 signings (a top class midfielder, centre back to replace Rio and then potentially a left back if Evra leaves)
 
To be fair, with the quality of the squad, I think Spurs SHOULD be challenging for the title this season. They've just been managed badly this season, mainly by AVB.
 
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