Does something need to be done about dogs?

I've never, ever seen a police officer when out with my dogs. It would rely on someone to report me if I didn't have a licence, same way as now. It changes nothing other than inconveniencing millions, another 'tax' and won't stop criminals.

No, not the same way as now, we don't have licenses now and these dogs are currently legal to own. To say it changes nothing is just factually incorrect, I don't know why you're making such a flawed argument.

That you personally don't see a police officer when walking your dog isn't particularly relevant either.
 
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No, not the same way as now, we don't have licenses now and these dogs are currently legal to own. To say it changes nothing is just factually incorrect, I don't know why you're making such a flawed argument.

That you personally don't see a police officer when walking your dog isn't particularly relevant either.

How do you enforce license holding with driving?
Wasn't there a bloke that didn't have one for his entire life driving round rural Wales and got caught well into is later years?

Honestly don't get how it changes a thing going after owners first. Is it just purely to identify the dogs? If so, people with these beast will just not come forward as they know their dog will be destroyed.
 
also see them in fields near my house that have signs saying "keep dogs on leads around livestock" yet you see dogs running around the field and all the cows hiding in the corner for almost the whole day.
I’m surprised the farmer hasn’t been out and shot any dogs worrying the cattle.
 
I’m surprised the farmer hasn’t been out and shot any dogs worrying the cattle.

Yea, that's our biggest fear if one of ours runs off after a hare or deer. She's an idiot that now spends most walks on lead near tree lines as despite all the recall training in the world can't help darting into the woods or over hills. Instinct just takes over.

I suppose she could apply for a hare chasing licence under dowie's plans. The farmer wouldn't check if she ended up in a sheep field, and even though she couldn't really do damage, I wouldn't blame a farmer blowing her away. He'd have to be a hell of a shot though as she's fast. But, that's why she goes on lead, for her own protection. Shame, because you can see how much joy there is when free to chase and give in to the desire.

I suppose that's how a American XL Bully feels when it gets the chance to maul someone.

Edit: we did have a local farmer challenge us as there had been an incident where a calf had been torn apart in one of his fields. Once he saw our guys up close though he realised they weren't the culprits. Don't think they ever caught the creature that did that.
 
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How do you enforce license holding with driving?
Wasn't there a bloke that didn't have one for his entire life driving round rural Wales and got caught well into is later years?

So what? Is that representative of the typical road user? What relevance does that individual case have to whether driving licences are a good idea or not?

Honestly don't get how it changes a thing going after owners first. Is it just purely to identify the dogs? If so, people with these beast will just not come forward as they know their dog will be destroyed.

Great, if they're too scared to leave the house with their illegal/unlicenced dog then that still solves part of the issue.
 
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So what? Is that representative of the typical road user? What relevance does that individual case have to whether driving licences are a good idea or not?

Because you need to be caught in order to be stopped! I bet there's more than 5 fatalities cause by unlicensed drivers than unlicensed dogs. It doesn't stop it happening. Not that I'm arguing that a driving license isn't a bad idea, it provides a standard (lol) of what's to be expected on the road.

Is the mauling of children representative of the typical domestic dog and their owners?


Great, if they're too scared to leave the house with their illegal/unlicenced dog then that still solves part of the issue.

It doesn't solve part of anything. Those owners are still at risk, neighbours and anyone that visits. It's also incredibly cruel on the animal and more likely cause an aggressive reaction through lack of socialisation or fear aggression.

Why are you hung up on inconveniencing 99.9% of dog owners before going after this particular breed and it's breeders?

I do think some sort of mandatory training for dog ownership would be positive, I come across people that can't/won't control their dogs, hell I lose control (I'm talking missing a window for recall, not going crazy, but control is lost nonetheless) of mine sometimes. We make mistakes, let our guard down, they aren't robots that only obey.

Problem is, once again, this is all stuff that is not urgent, but nice to have. Banning the import, breeding and making declaration of these dangerous dogs are the priority if the issue is the rise in attacks from a particular breed.

If the issue is you just don't like dogs and dog owners, then I can see and appreciate your point of view.
 
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Because you need to be caught in order to be stopped! I bet there's more than 5 fatalities cause by unlicensed drivers than unlicensed dogs. It doesn't stop it happening. Not that I'm arguing that a driving license isn't a bad idea, it provides a standard (lol) of what's to be expected on the road.

Not clear what you're arguing then... again what is the relevance? Does some individual case of a guy who never had a licence? What does that have to do with the idea of having driving licences in general? It just seems like some pointless anecdote highlighting an issue that isn't really representative. Some people break the rules and some tiny number may get away with it - so what?

It doesn't solve part of anything. Those owners are still at risk, neighbours and anyone that visits. It's also incredibly cruel on the animal and more likely cause an aggressive reaction through lack of socialisation or fear aggression.

Well, that's on the dog owner... what's even more cruel is when these XL Bullys kill or injure other dogs and people.

Why are you hung up on inconveniencing 99.9% of dog owners before going after this particular breed and it's breeders?

I'm not, I didn't express any preference of what should happen first.

I do think some sort of mandatory training for dog ownership would be positive, I come across people that can't/won't control their dogs, hell I lose control (I'm talking missing a window for recall, not going crazy, but control is lost nonetheless) of mine sometimes. We make mistakes, let our guard down, they aren't robots that only obey.

Problem is, once again, this is all stuff that is not urgent, but nice to have. Banning the import, breeding and making declaration of these dangerous dogs are the priority if the issue is the rise in attacks from a particular breed.

If the issue is you just don't like dogs and dog owners, then I can see and appreciate your point of view.

Mandatory training may be good too but that doesn't address the breed issue. I don't see the relevance of your perception of urgency to what I said or what you think should be implemented first when no priority was given in the first place.
 
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From the recent deaths, is there any evidence that authorities were made aware of a possibly dangerous dog?
There were a few cases where the owner had previously been prosecuted for having dangerous (or banned) dogs and had subsequently been banned from keeping dogs... after which they went and got more dogs.
The authorities were likely not made aware of the new dogs, but that's irrelevant - Banning works, clearly, and having every owner get a licence would obviously work. Police clearly have the resources necessary to go round checking everyones' paperwork and enforcing the law, so that's not a worry either.
 
Not to mention the **** that does nothing to help, but instead just films it on their phone
Whilst I'm quite irritated with people taking videos of literally everything I can't imagine they'd do anything other than make it worse if they acted with 'good' intentions, though walking away is probably more rude so I dunno.
 

What a surprise... three dogs of peace off the lead and the owner can't control them.

Not too long ago the police shot two dogs of peace in East London and the local chavs started screaming at the police from their balconies because they'd shot them... there was even a social media campaign afterward calling for "justice" despite the fact the dogs of peace had just attacked a women's dog before the police turned up, had previously attacked another guy and the owner had previously been banned from owning dogs after another incident in the past.
 
What a surprise... three dogs of peace off the lead and the owner can't control them.

Not too long ago the police shot two dogs of peace in East London and the local chavs started screaming at the police from their balconies because they'd shot them... there was even a social media campaign afterward calling for "justice" despite the fact the dogs of peace had just attacked a women's dog before the police turned up, had previously attacked another guy and the owner had previously been banned from owning dogs after another incident in the past.

So four separate crimes, all of which would have been simply solved by licencing and banning.

Whilst I'm quite irritated with people taking videos of literally everything I can't imagine they'd do anything other than make it worse if they acted with 'good' intentions, though walking away is probably more rude so I dunno.
Well... you might call me crazy, and I know this is just another 'handwaving theory' about 'magical solutions', but.... they have this camera phone thing they're recording the footage with, right? Could they not use the phone to... y'know.. phone for the Police, or something??!!
 

They look a bit like pitbulls, but it's hard to really tell.

So four separate crimes, all of which would have been simply solved by licencing and banning.

Agreed,

Instead, lets do what someone else suggested a few pages back, and have Andrew Tate and Drake act as role models for people who want to own tough dogs.... Can't quite remember who mentioned it though........... :cry:
 
What do you expect them to do? I can assure you I would not be running in to help in that situation.

Yeah, to be fair - he/she might be with someone else who's already talking to, or has spoken to the cops and they're on their way... "shrugs"
 
You’d run like any decent person and give the dog a toe punt straight up the arse. Go full chuck Norris on them.

Running would just excite them more with the chase, so unless you can run to climb something quickly, you aren't going to get away and kick 'em as hard as you like it's unlikely to do anything.

The main tactic once being attacked and bitten (dont try and pull your limb out) is to fall on them and use your body weight to try and break their ribs & pin them down, then either go for their eyes or choke them by strangulation or pushing the limb further into their mouth and into the throat.

If you need to de-escalate with an aggressive dog before it attacks, don't make eye contact, don't smile, turn sideways and move slowly.
 
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I read the best thing to do is give them your forearm to clamp onto so you know where the head is... And then bite thier nose off as it's highly sensitive.
 
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