Does something need to be done about dogs?

In the UK police are sensible with guns. They don't put 300 rounds in to everything.

I don’t think number of rounds used would be the issue.

Having armed police being allowed to enter your home and put down your dog with a firearm if you or they don’t comply seems very messy on multiple fronts.
 
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10 to 19 but in 2016 to 2017 in particular they were worse.
One was a Pitbull cross
Another had cocaine and morphine in its blood
One was supposed be muzzled after a history of attacking neighbours but the owner failed to comply with that.

So over that 10 year period it not a great number that might be able to solely pin on the breed, who knows on the circumstances though.

I'm only saying this as I've always been supportive of Staffies, always found them lovely dogs.

For the record I'm in favour of banning the XL Bully dog and have said so on here in the past, its unnecessary and just used by mostly scummy people to circumvent the dangerous dogs act.
 
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I don't disagree with banning either, I've lived with staffs and they can be lovely, but they hold the power to do a lot of damage, it's in their nature.
Chihuahua bite but they don't possess the ability to inflict deadly damage, obviously size is irrelevant, things like Bermese mountain dogs and Golden retriever are big but they are equally as soft.

Most breeds can attack, but most breed were not specifically bred as attack dogs and those that were should not be allowed.
 
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The statistic for death by dog in 2016 (as an example) would disagree with you as over 5 children and adults were killed by them and more in years since...
The statistic comes after unregistered breeders started crossing the lineage with fighting dogs, to make aggressive variants for the resurgence in dog fighting.

Dogs with genetic deformities should be banned, too. Like Pugs. Poor buggers can't breathe.
But that's another topic :p
I disagree - Now is probably the best time to start addressing all forms of questionable breeding.
 
Just had the unexpected misfortune of viewing a few seconds of the video of the last XL Bully attack where the guy was set upon by two of these things.

Absolutely horrific and to think these dogs are allowed to roam freely among children.

Three adults could with bricks, an iron gate and a club could not budge these things. If you think these dogs should be on our streets then you need your head tested.

The government is going in too soft on this IMO. They need culling
 
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Colleague at work has 2 bullys not XL though.
She's fumming about the ban worried they will also be banned and put down.

Lots of breeds that just should not exist and be allowed to die out. So many with massive issues, cruelty in my opinion to breed dogs with known medical conditions (pugs are the popular one that comes to mind)
 
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It'll be interesting to see what the response will be when inevitably this 'ban' achieves nothing.

Since a cull is never going to happen and having headlines constantly reminding everyone how pointless the government is right before an election seems unwise... realistically the only option left is prosecuting owners for manslaughter. All the morons will go to prison unable to have murderous dogs and the slightly smarter people who thought it was wise to buy pitfighting dog will either join those ranks of stupidity or deal with it themselves like rational people.
 
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I’ve never even seen an xl bully other than through social media but I agree with the decision to ban the breed.

I have experience with large breeds (mastiffs), and I’m frightened of BullyXLs, I really am.

Guy near me used to own one when I lived in Dublin, it was 8-9 stone - but it had that twitchy hyper personality of a smaller dog, which I found really unsettling.

The established bigger breeds do on average tend to be a lot more chilled (give or take). But these XLbullies have terrier DNA and all manner of stuff in them, and I think it contributes to their tendency to explode and go on a rampage.
 
It'll be interesting to see what the response will be when inevitably this 'ban' achieves nothing.

Since a cull is never going to happen and having headlines constantly reminding everyone how pointless the government is right before an election seems unwise... realistically the only option left is prosecuting owners for manslaughter. All the morons will go to prison unable to have murderous dogs and the slightly smarter people who thought it was wise to buy pitfighting dog will either join those ranks of stupidity or deal with it themselves like rational people.
The only way to stop a bad guy with a bully XL, is a good guy with a bully XL.

Joking aside, and I'm aware I do it a lot in this thread, but it's very doom and gloom. There are many more threats we face day to day other than this dog.

We could do with some national guidance of what to do when an inevitable attack happens over the next decade; what's the highest percentage method of deterring or mitigating once an attack is under way?

Someone mentioned footage of the attack the other day. It's disgusting. But also disgusting is the apparent lack of effort or urgency by those around 'trying' to stop the dogs while the guy bleeds to death. They should have been going in hard to kill those dogs, it was the only way they were going to stop. You're already putting yourself in danger by getting involved, at least make it count.
 
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The only way to stop a bad guy with a bully XL, is a good guy with a bully XL.

Joking aside, and I'm aware I do it a lot in this thread, but it's very doom and gloom. There are many more threats we face day to day other than this dog.

We could do with some national guidance of what to do when an inevitable attack happens over the next decade; what's the highest percentage method of deterring or mitigating once an attack is under way?

There's two main methods, depending on size of dog and your size strength. Problem is they are counter intuitive to people's natural reactions in such a situation (which is fear and flight, both the worst reactions you can have) and also recognising the point you need to be taking such measures, as they are extreme.

You either calmly stand your ground and project as little threat as possible, no eye contact no screaming/shouting or quick movements to try and not excite the dog further or fight back, with the intention to seriously hurt or kill it. Or if the dog is too big and strong you curl up in the fetal position to protect your head and neck area and offer no resistance, so hopefully the dog gets bored with seeing no threat/excitement.

If you are going to fight the main thing is to use your own body weight to pin them down with wrestling and overwhelming them with your size. Dogs ribs break quite easily, use knees, elbows as pressure points and go for eyes, throat etc. If you're bitten, don't try and pull your arm out, push it in instead, to try and choke the dog.

Someone mentioned footage of the attack the other day. It's disgusting. But also disgusting is the apparent lack of effort or urgency by those around 'trying' to stop the dogs while the guy bleeds to death. They should have been going in hard to kill those dogs, it was the only way they were going to stop. You're already putting yourself in danger by getting involved, at least make it count.

Which is right, but like I say not an easy reaction or conclusion to come to quickly in such a situation since it is out of the vast majority of people's experience.

I've been involved in a fight between our own 2 dogs when I was a teen (and have the scars to prove it! :p ) It was between an Alsation and Doberman and no amount of hitting with sticks or kicking made a jot of difference. I ended up having to stand on the neck of the Doberman (the aggressor) while holding the Alsation at arms length until a passer by stopped and took the Alsation away, which was quite a while since I was down a quiet country road!

I'll always remember the first vehicle to stop was two guys in a van, with me covered in blood (dogs and my own) pleading for help and they just said "nothing to do with me" and drove off #*££@*!'s and it was a woman on her own next who came and helped by taking the Alsation away.
 
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Just had the unexpected misfortune of viewing a few seconds of the video of the last XL Bully attack where the guy was set upon by two of these things.

Absolutely horrific and to think these dogs are allowed to roam freely among children.

Three adults could with bricks, an iron gate and a club could not budge these things. If you think these dogs should be on our streets then you need your head tested.

The government is going in too soft on this IMO. They need culling
100%.
 
Just saw the video of the attack.

The issue is they are very powerful dogs and extremely hard to keep under control when they attack. I think they should be banned.
 
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