Dogs off a leash in parks

If you need to put a sign on your dog saying "I NEED SPACE" and yelling at other owners to keep their distance has nothing to do with his belief his dog might get attacked, its a sign he doesn't trust his dog around other animals

Just for general info:

Why might a dog need space?
There are many reasons why a dog may need space.

It may…

• have health issues
• be a rescue dog being rehabilitated
• have had a bad experience with another dog, or is just not the kind of friendly dogs which always want to say “Hi!
• be a bitch that may be in heat
• be in training
• be very old and arthritic
• be nervous or shy

Some brief further reading:
https://www.yellowdoguk.co.uk/
https://www.banfield.com/pet-health...y/behavior/understanding-when-dogs-need-space
https://www.veryimportantpets.co.uk/2017/some-dogs-need-space/
https://www.bellascollars.co.uk/blogs/news/theres-no-shame-in-using-yellow-collars-and-harnesses
 

I actually agree with a lot you are saying btw, When I say I'm sympathetic towards dogs with issues, I mean it.. I would absolutely get my dog immediately on the lead should anyone request it, in fact that's exactly what I do, not only that but we have some rescue dogs that can't be within 10M of another dog, they are constantly changing direction everytime they see another dog (on the lead or not) so I actually help them out by immediately changing direction and getting our dog out the way so they can enjoy their walk.. They often shout over the hedges to show their appreciation.. Then we have a poor dog that is so scared of any other dog they get distressed and the owner starts panicking, so I often stop and make my dog lie down next to me and let the other dog see it's not a threat and calms down.. Again the owner seems appreciative and they now walk their dog by our house and stop for a chat, we are working on slowly getting their dog closer to ours (who is great at not reacting in this case) which seems to be working.

I've also had problem dogs myself (food guarding) that needed different approaches and help from behavioural therapists that forced me to read up and understand more about dog behaviour which is why I don't disagree with a lot of what you say.

All I am commenting on is as per my opening post:
He wears a big reflective yellow jacket with "I NEED SPACE" written on it. I change direction if I see other dogs, I even yell to those who have dogs off lead, i.e. "Please keep your distance" - If they ignore that, it's on them.
Therefore, I think my reply above would suffice. If I'm out with my GSD, taking all necessary precautions and a reckless owner lets their dog approach mine, and they fight, I would consider the other parties dog as dangerous, and proceed accordingly.
If however a dog attempts to attack him, then said dog would have to contend with me letting my GSD respond, as well as me responding also.
however if someone continues to approach me despite me asking/warning them not too, then they have more to worry about than my GSD.

We'll have to agree to disagree, because whilst I agree on a theoretical level all the reasons dogs MAY need space, and how a muzzle MAY not be the best idea for certain situations, this IMO is irrelevant to my point.. I don't find the method he chooses to deal with the situation is remotely reasonable.. the vast majority of dogs I come across are well behaved, they come over for a sniff and that's it, I would not expect they deserve violent behaviour from another dog or it's owner just because they approached that dog innocently..

I personally have the attitude that if it's my dog that has the problem that I wouldn't expect others to behave anything other than normally around me and take precautions such as a muzzle if I was worried my dog could react badly even if the other dog was not remotely agressive, I do not think just shouting at someone and then blaming them if my dog mauled theirs is acceptable.. You may and that's fine..
 
Amusing doggie tale from yesterday. I saw a broken down car on the A49 and a wet guy thumbing a lift. I took pity and stopped and he asked if I could give him a lift into Whitchurch. I said OK and when he was getting in I asked if he had a mask. That set him off a rant about bloody masks and the virus was a con. I said I had a pack of new disposable masks in the glove box and he had to put one on if he wanted a lift. By now he was in the passenger seat and getting stroppy. I insisted "No mask, no lift", and got the reply. "Who's going to make me wear a mask, not you, just ~*&#@ drive! I had a dog in the back who is trained to bark and growl on demand. So I said, "No he's going to ask you to get out, nicely at first, by the throat if needed". He looked in the back of the estate and met my little 10 stone doggie, so I told him to "speak". He got out... I love well trained dogs ;) It was the big male Karabash... It's idiots like that guy that make me despair for the world. No wonder few people stop for blokes thumbing a lift these days.

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I actually agree with a lot you are saying btw, When I say I'm sympathetic towards dogs with issues, I mean it.. I would absolutely get my dog immediately on the lead should anyone request it, in fact that's exactly what I do, not only that but we have some rescue dogs that can't be within 10M of another dog, they are constantly changing direction everytime they see another dog (on the lead or not) so I actually help them out by immediately changing direction and getting our dog out the way so they can enjoy their walk.
And yet you seem very unsympathetic toward Honey and his GSD clearly advertising that they need space... Maybe you're just missing a crucial point?

He's shouting a warning, because the owners are not within normal conversational distance, obviously. Their dog is off lead and already ahead, so he shouts from a distance so they have time to do something about it.
If he sauntered over, all gentleman-like, and offered a pleasant, non-violent, non-threatening, "Good day to you old bean. I say, would you mind awfully keeping your delightful young pup a respectful distance from my grizzly old lad, here? Not to be too much trouble, but he's a frightful chap and rather unnerved by the presence of your fabulous companion, you see...", then it'd be over before the first sentence was even half-delivered.

I don't find the method he chooses to deal with the situation is remotely reasonable..
Why not?
Keep away - What is so unreasonable about that? It's for your safety and for his legal responsibility that he's asking you to keep away, so why the **** would you so recklessly take both those things away?

Presumably you've heard of asking the owner if it's OK to stroke their dog? What would you do if they ever said No?
I bet pretty much any dog owner, who'd already said No, would get quite confrontational if you then deliberately (and very rudely) ignored that...
This situation is exactly the same, except it includes your dog and you're being told No before you even need to ask.

the vast majority of dogs I come across are well behaved, they come over for a sniff and that's it
Irrelevant.
You have been SPECIFICALLY ASKED to keep yourself and your dog away from that guy's dog.
Your opinion of your dog or anyone else's is not even a factor in this. You are invading that dog's safe space and deliberately putting the owner in a very difficult situation. Anyone with an ounce of sense would be very ****** off with you doing that.

I would not expect they deserve violent behaviour from another dog or it's owner just because they approached that dog innocently.
And THAT attitude is precisely the reason why half the dog bites happen, why people get trampled by cattle, why people get kicked by horses, and so many other things... It's also why farmers have the right to shoot your dog, however innocently you assert that it is bothering his livestock.
For someone so sympathetic to dogs with issues, you seem quite ignorant of the distress you might be causing a dog that needs space... even more so if it's muzzled and leashed - Do I need to explain the likely results of deliberately distressing a captive dog?

I personally have the attitude that if it's my dog that has the problem that I wouldn't expect others to behave anything other than normally around me and take precautions such as a muzzle if I was worried my dog could react badly even if the other dog was not remotely agressive, I do not think just shouting at someone and then blaming them if my dog mauled theirs is acceptable.
What would you do if you saw a dog that you really didn't like the look of?
Would you bound up to it and expect it to suddenly be all nice, or would you keep your distance and let it go about its business?
This is the same thing, except you can't see what the dog is like... but it's owner can, and he's asking you to keep your distance.
 
Dog owners are some of the biggest idiots you will come across. When I see a dog bounding towards the young un and I shield them from the hound, they always trot out the "Don't worry about him/her *sometimes give the dogs name also lol* wouldn't hurt a fly" reply. Thanks a lot you absolute cretin!
 
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No, muzzling isn't always a problem and some dogs are okay with it, but it's more often not the best solution, either - My issue is people resorting to it in a casual throwaway fashion, as was used above. Far better to resolve the behavioural issues that make the dog bite in the first place.
Most of the time people exhibit sufficient intelligence to read a warning jacket and simply keep their distance, though.

What's wrong with that?

Ah I remember you. You're the guy with the aggressive dog who's biten the postman aren't you?
 
Dog owners are some of the biggest idiots you will come across. When I see a dog bounding towards the young un and I shield them from the hound, they always trot out the "Don't worry about him/her *sometimes give the dogs name also lol* wouldn't hurt a fly" reply. Thanks a lot you absolute cretin!
Parents are some of the most reckless ******** you will come across. When I see a rugrat suddenly screaming over, shouting "DOGGEEEEEEEEEEZ! and I shield my pups from the sprog, they always trot out the "It's okay he/she *sometimes give the brat's name also, lol* loves dogs" reply. Thanks a lot you absolute cretin!

Ah I remember you. You're the guy with the aggressive dog who's biten the postman aren't you?
You misremember. None of my dogs have bitten anyone. They bark to announce the arrival of the postman, but that's about it...
You're possibly thinking of this guy: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/31651703/
 
I actually agree with a lot you are saying btw, When I say I'm sympathetic towards dogs with issues, I mean it.. I would absolutely get my dog immediately on the lead should anyone request it, in fact that's exactly what I do

Why should I have to request it?
You’re assuming things by assuming you’re dog is just fine when this is not about your dog. It’s naive.

Stop assuming things, rule 101. The fact my dog has a warning jacket, and that I’ve previously stated that I would change direction means I’m the responsible one, not you.

If you ignore all these signs and continue to allow your dog to approach mine, then as ttaskmaster has stated, I would shout across asking you to control your animal. If you then ignore this, you’re putting me and my animal in a dangerous, unnecessary situation.

If then, as a result of you making assumptions and not heeding warnings, and not being able or willing to control your dog, my dog turns on yours, so be it. I would attempt to scare your dog away first, but in this scenario, make no mistake, you’re the one at fault, you’re the unreasonable one, you’re the dangerous one and my response, whilst proportioned would bear this considerations in mind.

No one wants a dog attack of any kind or for anyone to be hurt, why do you think I take these precautions?

not only that but we have some rescue dogs that can't be within 10M of another dog, they are constantly changing direction everytime they see another dog (on the lead or not) so I actually help them out by immediately changing direction

Me too (changing direction) as I’ve already stated several times, therefore I’m not sure why you think me taking precautions is unreasonable. Either you’re skipping over parts of my post or you’re trying to single me out (crack on) - You certainly don’t sound like someone who is experienced with troubled animals.


They often shout over the hedges

I can believe this ;)

I've also had problem dogs myself (food guarding) that needed different approaches and help from behavioural therapists that forced me to read up and understand more about dog behaviour which is why I don't disagree with a lot of what you say.

Sounds great, me too by the way, lots of experience with this. Yet you seem to have taken umbridge with my posts, despite us seemingly having the same outlook and only wish to care for our animals.

Dog owners are some of the biggest idiots you will come across. When I see a dog bounding towards the young un and I shield them from the hound, they always trot out the "Don't worry about him/her *sometimes give the dogs name also lol* wouldn't hurt a fly" reply. Thanks a lot you absolute cretin!

Are you really that ignorant? Moron of the year award incoming...


And yet you seem very unsympathetic toward Honey and his GSD clearly advertising that they need space... Maybe you're just missing a crucial point?

He's shouting a warning, because the owners are not within normal conversational distance, obviously. Their dog is off lead and already ahead, so he shouts from a distance so they have time to do something about it.
If he sauntered over, all gentleman-like, and offered a pleasant, non-violent, non-threatening, "Good day to you old bean. I say, would you mind awfully keeping your delightful young pup a respectful distance from my grizzly old lad, here? Not to be too much trouble, but he's a frightful chap and rather unnerved by the presence of your fabulous companion, you see...", then it'd be over before the first sentence was even half-delivered.


Why not?
Keep away - What is so unreasonable about that? It's for your safety and for his legal responsibility that he's asking you to keep away, so why the **** would you so recklessly take both those things away?

Presumably you've heard of asking the owner if it's OK to stroke their dog? What would you do if they ever said No?
I bet pretty much any dog owner, who'd already said No, would get quite confrontational if you then deliberately (and very rudely) ignored that...
This situation is exactly the same, except it includes your dog and you're being told No before you even need to ask.


Irrelevant.
You have been SPECIFICALLY ASKED to keep yourself and your dog away from that guy's dog.
Your opinion of your dog or anyone else's is not even a factor in this. You are invading that dog's safe space and deliberately putting the owner in a very difficult situation. Anyone with an ounce of sense would be very ****** off with you doing that.


And THAT attitude is precisely the reason why half the dog bites happen, why people get trampled by cattle, why people get kicked by horses, and so many other things... It's also why farmers have the right to shoot your dog, however innocently you assert that it is bothering his livestock.
For someone so sympathetic to dogs with issues, you seem quite ignorant of the distress you might be causing a dog that needs space... even more so if it's muzzled and leashed - Do I need to explain the likely results of deliberately distressing a captive dog?


What would you do if you saw a dog that you really didn't like the look of?
Would you bound up to it and expect it to suddenly be all nice, or would you keep your distance and let it go about its business?
This is the same thing, except you can't see what the dog is like... but it's owner can, and he's asking you to keep your distance.


Exactly, someone who actually gets it :D
 
Murphy after lots of training at Kent Paws in the Park last year, with MrsHB holding him (She wanted me to smudge her out)

Notice he is muzzled, as a precaution.

He was great, didn’t kick off at anyone despite some yappers trying it on with him.

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Amusing doggie tale from yesterday. I saw a broken down car on the A49 and a wet guy thumbing a lift. I took pity and stopped and he asked if I could give him a lift into Whitchurch. I said OK and when he was getting in I asked if he had a mask. That set him off a rant about bloody masks and the virus was a con. I said I had a pack of new disposable masks in the glove box and he had to put one on if he wanted a lift. By now he was in the passenger seat and getting stroppy. I insisted "No mask, no lift", and got the reply. "Who's going to make me wear a mask, not you, just ~*&#@ drive! I had a dog in the back who is trained to bark and growl on demand. So I said, "No he's going to ask you to get out, nicely at first, by the throat if needed". He looked in the back of the estate and met my little 10 stone doggie, so I told him to "speak". He got out... I love well trained dogs ;) It was the big male Karabash... It's idiots like that guy that make me despair for the world. No wonder few people stop for blokes thumbing a lift these days.

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Brilliant story and two magnificent animals!
 
The biggest issue with dog owners is that they think their hounds are more important than people. Neighbour comes round asking if I can turn my home cinema subwoofer (ironic) down as it makes her dog bark when outside... I said I would be absolutely delighted to do that, the very moment that her dog starts paying my mortgage. The look on her face was priceless.
 
The biggest issue with dog owners is that they think their hounds are more important than people. Neighbour comes round asking if I can turn my home cinema subwoofer (ironic) down as it makes her dog bark when outside... I said I would be absolutely delighted to do that, the very moment that her dog starts paying my mortgage. The look on her face was priceless.

...and that's when everyone watching started clapping?
 
The biggest issue with dog owners is that they think their hounds are more important than people. Neighbour comes round asking if I can turn my home cinema subwoofer (ironic) down as it makes her dog bark when outside... I said I would be absolutely delighted to do that, the very moment that her dog starts paying my mortgage. The look on her face was priceless.

Should have bought a detached house imo.

Non dog owners are just as bad as well and the above is just a representation of that. It is a shame culture is like this now.
 
The biggest issue with dog owners is that they think their hounds are more important than people. Neighbour comes round asking if I can turn my home cinema subwoofer (ironic) down as it makes her dog bark when outside... I said I would be absolutely delighted to do that, the very moment that her dog starts paying my mortgage. The look on her face was priceless.

Just LOL at using a subwoofer in a non-detached property.
 
Parents are some of the most reckless ******** you will come across. When I see a rugrat suddenly screaming over, shouting "DOGGEEEEEEEEEEZ! and I shield my pups from the sprog, they always trot out the "It's okay he/she *sometimes give the brat's name also, lol* loves dogs" reply. Thanks a lot you absolute cretin!

I get that all the time. Your child might like dogs, but my dog is terrified of children!
 
The biggest issue with dog owners is that they think their hounds are more important than people. Neighbour comes round asking if I can turn my home cinema subwoofer (ironic) down as it makes her dog bark when outside... I said I would be absolutely delighted to do that, the very moment that her dog starts paying my mortgage. The look on her face was priceless.

true or not, this is funny **** :D
 
The biggest issue with dog owners is that they think their hounds are more important than people. Neighbour comes round asking if I can turn my home cinema subwoofer (ironic) down as it makes her dog bark when outside... I said I would be absolutely delighted to do that, the very moment that her dog starts paying my mortgage. The look on her face was priceless.

You're a real people person, aintcha.
 
Brilliant story and two magnificent animals!

Thanks, although trained to speak on command the guy didn't know he would probably have been licked to death had he engaged him. But he looks the part ☺️. Given how some idiots have brought dog ownership into such disrepute I never let any of my dogs off the lead in public places, but I am very fortunate in having the space to let them run free here at home, out in the sticks. Pre Covid most went in turn, twice a week to the pub, often I would take 2 at a time. So they were well socialized. The ones I bred from pups went out as soon as their vaccines allowed. The rescues as soon as they were deemed trustworthy.

Little did I realize I would one day be in the same bloody boat about vaccines ☺️
 
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