Donald Trump

[Angilion]

It's you making the baseless claims though. Read through the SC thread. Plenty of discussion about Trump.

You've made a baseless and highly implausible claim, refused to support it, claimed it exists somewhere in a collection of >42,000 posts and now moved the goalposts so much that they're not in the same continent any more.

Are you Donald Trump?

So you think I (or someone else) is going to do your research for you? I don't think so because it's quite time consuming.

When a person makes a claim the onus is on them to support it or at least provide some evidence in support of it. You won't do that because you know you can't - the claim is a lie made up because it seemed useful at the time. So of course I don't expect you to even try to do it.

More deaths and no benefit in a study on hydroxychloroquine.

https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2

But still, try it, what do you have to lose....

It would possibly be useful to see a proper study on it (none of the mini-semi-studies done so far with different results have been proper studies), but there are other more promising avenues of research and a shortage of people to do it.

 

[Murphy]

I'm still waiting for anyone to back up the claim that fair discussion (of why a person supports Trump) has been attempted many times. Or even once.

I'm not about to go through them all but I'd be amazed if there's not been a single attempt in any of the 50k post across this and the other Trump thread in SC.

 

[wesimmo]

You've made a baseless and highly implausible claim, refused to support it, claimed it exists somewhere in a collection of >42,000 posts and now moved the goalposts so much that they're not in the same continent any more.

Are you Donald Trump?



When a person makes a claim the onus is on them to support it or at least provide some evidence in support of it. You won't do that because you know you can't - the claim is a lie made up because it seemed useful at the time. So of course I don't expect you to even try to do it.



It would possibly be useful to see a proper study on it (none of the mini-semi-studies done so far with different results have been proper studies), but there are other more promising avenues of research and a shortage of people to do it.

You won't have much luck finding what you're looking for.

The whole thread is examples of Trump being, objectively, an abhorrent person who is out of his depth in anything beyond eating crayons.

It's also full of inane comments from the few people who defend Trump who are also allowed to post in SC. I'm sure you'll be aghast at that as restriction of free speech, however.

However as you feel the need to defend Trump, not on his actions, but because you feel he is bullied in some way, or misrepresented or whatever you won't see the fact that most examples of his idiocy are cited or posted by people with a history of using facts so a citation is given.

You also seem to be the sort of person who feels oppressed as a middle class, white, heterosexual, male, so there are obvious fundamental differences in opinion at the heart of the discussion.

 

[Angilion]

I'm not about to go through them all but I'd be amazed if there's not been a single attempt in any of the 50k post across this and the other Trump thread in SC.

I wouldn't be, based on every post I have seen since I entered this cesspool of political rantings. I'd be amazed if there had been a single attempt. I'm not amazed at how fervently some people are lying about it or how annoyed they are at someone asking them to support the claim they completely made up from their own imagination and nothing else.

[..]

A cesspool would be more healthy. You manage to include multiple false statements, racism, sexism, classism and irrational prejudice on the basis of sexual orientation. All in one little post of screeching out whatever insults flittered through your head at the time. You don't give a rat's arse about the truth, only whatever will serve your sordid malice at the time.

You're what you accuse Trump of being, but much less successful than he is. You're also a perfect tool for him, since you make him look less bad. Given the choice between voting for a dead dog and Trump, I'd vote for the dog. Given the choice between voting for you or Trump, I'd vote for Trump.

 

[deuse]

Interesting - can you provide a source for that?



Do you have a source for this number? What time period is this over, a month, a year, a decade?

I heard it FL local TV.

As for CA.
People have been leaving since 2017. FL got 2 extra seats because of the CA exodus.

https://www.businessinsider.com/the...-lost-69278-residents-between-2016-and-2017-7

Loads more on it if you google.

This is why CA is now a sanctuary state, where all the crap go to live.

Want to poo and pee on the streets? Welcome to California
Want to be an illegal and get a driving licence? Welcome to California
Want to shoot up drugs right outside a police station and put your middle finger up? Welcome to California.
Want to be an illegal and be able to kill someone but are released till the court date? Welcome to California
Are you a nurse? Do you want to live in a van because the rents are so high? then Welcome to California

 

[deuse]

I wouldn't be, based on every post I have seen since I entered this cesspool of political rantings. I'd be amazed if there had been a single attempt. I'm not amazed at how fervently some people are lying about it or how annoyed they are at someone asking them to support the claim they completely made up from their own imagination and nothing else.



A cesspool would be more healthy. You manage to include multiple false statements, racism, sexism, classism and irrational prejudice on the basis of sexual orientation. All in one little post of screeching out whatever insults flittered through your head at the time. You don't give a rat's arse about the truth, only whatever will serve your sordid malice at the time.

You're what you accuse Trump of being, but much less successful than he is. You're also a perfect tool for him, since you make him look less bad. Given the choice between voting for a dead dog and Trump, I'd vote for the dog. Given the choice between voting for you or Trump, I'd vote for Trump.

I told you pages back that they would not listen to you or come back with posts.
They say they are not going back pages to find one post.

Which means is "They didn't post one" so they can't find one.

 

[plasmahal]

I wouldn't be, based on every post I have seen since I entered this cesspool of political rantings. I'd be amazed if there had been a single attempt. I'm not amazed at how fervently some people are lying about it or how annoyed they are at someone asking them to support the claim they completely made up from their own imagination and nothing else.



A cesspool would be more healthy. You manage to include multiple false statements, racism, sexism, classism and irrational prejudice on the basis of sexual orientation. All in one little post of screeching out whatever insults flittered through your head at the time. You don't give a rat's arse about the truth, only whatever will serve your sordid malice at the time.

You're what you accuse Trump of being, but much less successful than he is. You're also a perfect tool for him, since you make him look less bad. Given the choice between voting for a dead dog and Trump, I'd vote for the dog. Given the choice between voting for you or Trump, I'd vote for Trump.

It was just a matter of time for the TDS squad to put you in a labelled box. And boy, did they go for it.

Yet more irrational ramblings from an irrational brain cell.

They got all upset, screechy and super salty for calling out the SC thread for what it is, a cesspit echo chamber.

 

[Malevolence]

You know what really bugs me, the way Trump reads from his script on on the lectern. He seems to have the reading skills of a five year old, and it doesn't help that he's constantly looking down and mumbling. If he's really is incapable of memorising more than a sentence at a time then you'd have thought one of his many wranglers would have said something to him about it by now. And the way he repeats things twice, things that don't really need repeating, really boils my **** too.

 

[CHokKA]

You know what really bugs me, the way Trump reads from his script on on the lectern. He seems to have the reading skills of a five year old, and it doesn't help that he's constantly looking down and mumbling. If he's really is incapable of memorising more than a sentence at a time then you'd have thought one of his many wranglers would have said something to him about it by now. And the way he repeats things twice, things that don't really need repeating, really boils my **** too.

Yep. Everything is great or excellent as well. Re-iterated at least twice each time. Or how he's friends with someone. Like other leaders or experts etc. What a load of rubbish.

"Yesterday we had a call with X. It was a great call, a great call. He's a terrific friend of mine. I'd really say it was a great call. One of the best we've had."

He does that with everything. It is cringe-worthy.

 

[Murphy]

I wouldn't be, based on every post I have seen since I entered this cesspool of political rantings. I'd be amazed if there had been a single attempt. I'm not amazed at how fervently some people are lying about it or how annoyed they are at someone asking them to support the claim they completely made up from their own imagination and nothing else.

That would be stretching the bounds of reason and considering you've only really participated in this thread the "since i entered" statement doesn't seem a convincing reason to dismiss the prior 4 years and 42k posts in the SC thread, do you really think no one has attempted to have a fair discussion and backed up their claims in all that time?

The fact of the matter is it's been done to death, that's probably why this thread has become the more active of the two as supporters of Trump have either got themselves banned from SC or been driven out due to the higher expectations that SC demands.

 

[Kyo]

You know what really bugs me, the way Trump reads from his script on on the lectern. He seems to have the reading skills of a five year old, and it doesn't help that he's constantly looking down and mumbling. If he's really is incapable of memorising more than a sentence at a time then you'd have thought one of his many wranglers would have said something to him about it by now. And the way he repeats things twice, things that don't really need repeating, really boils my **** too.

You can just tell when he goes off script, he has habit of repeating and then rephrasing to his own simplistic understanding. Seen this from a tweet about the briefings which was quite amusing.

 

[Washout]

It was just a matter of time for the TDS squad to put you in a labelled box. And boy, did they go for it.

Said without a hint of irony at all.

 

[Yas786]

Said without a hint of irony at all.

As I’ve said each and every Trump supporter in here lacks a massive amount of self awareness like their orange leader....

 

[Pottsey]

I'm still waiting for anyone to back up the claim that fair discussion (of why a person supports Trump) has been attempted many times. Or even once.

Every reply has been exactly the opposite, bluntly stating that anyone who isn't utterly opposed to Trump is evil and/or insane. The level of polarisation and the normalisation of extremism and coerced conformity is disturbing.

Right now, I'm willing to say that is a valid reason for supporting Trump. I don't know if I'd do it myself, but I understand someone doing it. When the opposition is that bad, even Trump might be the less bad choice. Maybe. Perhaps. Despite him being an [Magic Bad Word censored by OcUK] who's incompetent at a key part of the job and possibly incompetent at all of it.

I wasn’t going to re-enter this thread and wont post much after this. But as I am sitting here waiting for 20mins for a delivery before going back to work. What about when I spent weeks answers questions from hard core Trump supporters, I backed up all my points with evidence, links across both Trump threads. Then when I posted my valid reasonable questions towards the Trump supporters and multiple supporters just responded to me with deflection and lies back?

To give you an example. From me “Related to above when we posted about the Bolton evidence you respond was "“LOL, a far-left anti-trump source.... silly trolls.”"

Bolton is a long established hard-core far right Republican but that was the type of response I was being given when I tried to have a reasonable fair debate about why they support Trump.

My posting history show multiple attempts at reasonable fair debates and some Trump supporters main response to me was lies and deflections all the while shouting but no one wants to debate for real with me. But I did try and debate for real they were just not interested often responding to me with silly one liners and silly memes.

Its like the time I questioned why they hate immoral behavior and corruption by the left but when Trump does it or worse they are perfectly ok with it and support Trumps immoral and corrupt behavior. For example Trump cheated on his pregnant wife with multiple Porn Stars, lying about it to the public while running a fake charity where he stole vast sums of charity money which he spent on himself, his business and his family and before that he setup a fake University to steal vast sums of money of students and more.

I went as far as to post direct links to the court documents, direct links and quotes to the what the judge said, including where Trumps pleaded guilty including the court documents where Trump admits to spending the stolen charity money to settle legal obligations of his businesses and on himself and his family. I even listed the precise things Trump spent the stolen charity money on to save them reading I think it was 100+ pages of evidence direct from the court case with judge comments which I did provide at the time.

What was the response? Mostly deflection, lies, most of them wouldn’t even acknowledgment how immoral and corrupt all that was. Some like tang0 refused to even acknowledge that it happened. But they have a history of not accepting real truth when it doesn’t fit into their narrative. Just this month he lied saying “He never stole from a charity. “ despite the fact I provided the evidence to him at least 3 different times on I think it was 3 different weeks including a direct link to the court documents.

tang0 just blanks it out and keeps lying that it never happened despite the fact he was given the court case files, judgment ruling and a list of what the stolen charity money was spent on multiple times. Before anyone asks I am not going back to dig up the links to re post all my evidence for a 4th time, I am not falling for that again and have no interest in going over the case again, the facts are clear and proven multiple times now. The Trump fans has already used that trick multiple times only to blank it out every time and respond with deflection. The only reason I am posting this is you asked or examples.

So you wanted evidence look at my post history in both Trump threads. Chroniclard statement is not baseless and highly implausible claim. There are some great examples in my posting history and if you look at some of my lasts post in the other Trump thread its a perfect example of what Chroniclard is talking about. I tried to engage in real fair debate and the response from the Trump fans at that time was 100% pure deflection and one liners and proven lies.

Also please note I am not lumping all Trump fans together. But a handful of them to act like described.

 

[wesimmo]

I wouldn't be, based on every post I have seen since I entered this cesspool of political rantings. I'd be amazed if there had been a single attempt. I'm not amazed at how fervently some people are lying about it or how annoyed they are at someone asking them to support the claim they completely made up from their own imagination and nothing else.



A cesspool would be more healthy. You manage to include multiple false statements, racism, sexism, classism and irrational prejudice on the basis of sexual orientation. All in one little post of screeching out whatever insults flittered through your head at the time. You don't give a rat's arse about the truth, only whatever will serve your sordid malice at the time.

You're what you accuse Trump of being, but much less successful than he is. You're also a perfect tool for him, since you make him look less bad. Given the choice between voting for a dead dog and Trump, I'd vote for the dog. Given the choice between voting for you or Trump, I'd vote for Trump.

Wow.

Touch a nerve did I?

I'm not sure where all the insults came from?

Are you really saying that you believe you don't come across as someone who feels oppressed or whatever when you talk about the division caused by 'progressives'?

 

[Newbie007]

running a fake charity where he stole vast sums of charity money which he spent on himself, his business and his family and before that he setup a fake University to steal vast sums of money of students and more.

I went as far as to post direct links to the court documents, direct links and quotes to the what the judge said, including where Trumps pleaded guilty including the court documents where Trump admits to spending the stolen charity money to settle legal obligations of his businesses and on himself and his family. I even listed the precise things Trump spent the stolen charity money on to save them reading I think it was 100+ pages of evidence direct from the court case with judge comments which I did provide at the time.

What was the response? Mostly deflection, lies, most of them wouldn’t even acknowledgment how immoral and corrupt all that was. Some like tang0 refused to even acknowledge that today because they cannot accept real truth when it doesn’t fit into their narrative. Just this month he lied saying “He never stole from a charity. “ despite the fact I provided the evidence to him at least 3 different times on I think it was 3 different weeks.

tang0 just blanks it out and keeps lying that it never happened despite the fact he was given the court case files, judgment ruling and a list of what the stolen charity money was spent on multiple times. Before anyone asks I am not going back to dig up the links to re post all my evidence for a 4th time, I am not falling for that again and have no interest in going over the case again, the facts are clear and proven multiple times now. The Trump fans has already used that trick multiple times only to blank it out every time and respond with deflection. The only reason I am posting this is you asked or examples.

So you wanted evidence look at my post history in both Trump threads. Chroniclard statement is not baseless and highly implausible claim. There are some great examples in my posting history and if you look at some of my lasts post in the other Trump thread its a perfect example of what Chroniclard is talking about. I tried to engage in real fair debate and the response from the Trump fans at that time was 100% pure deflection and one liners and proven lies.

Also please note I am not lumping all Trump fans together. But a handful of them to act like described.

Trump 'supporters' probably ignored these claims because despite your continued assertion that trump stole money he didnt


From the Snopes fact check:

"What's False
However, neither Trump, nor his children Ivanka and Eric, nor his foundation, were found to have "stolen" or kept any of the donations, and so none of them "admitted to" any such actions. The New York Supreme Court explicitly acknowledged that all the funds raised for veterans groups had ultimately reached veterans groups."

It's not just you though, it's all the tds sufferers..claim something, proven wrong, ignore the evidence and continue to post the same drivel, resort to adhomen personal attacks. The trump thread in SC isn't for reasoned discussion, it's for mocking trump and nothing else. Posters there have explicitly said that.

 

[chroniclard]

Trump 'supporters' probably ignored these claims because despite your continued assertion that trump stole money he didnt


From the Snopes fact check:

"What's False
However, neither Trump, nor his children Ivanka and Eric, nor his foundation, were found to have "stolen" or kept any of the donations, and so none of them "admitted to" any such actions. The New York Supreme Court explicitly acknowledged that all the funds raised for veterans groups had ultimately reached veterans groups."

It's not just you though, it's all the tds sufferers..claim something, proven wrong, ignore the evidence and continue to post the same drivel.

and yet you only post half the story..., classic TDF.

"In November 2019, the New York Supreme Court ordered Trump to pay $2 million in damages for the waste incurred when his 2016 presidential campaign orchestrated and benefited from the distribution of funds to veterans groups, which had been donated by the public."

 

[Newbie007]

and yet you only post half the story..., classic TDF.

"In November 2019, the New York Supreme Court ordered Trump to pay $2 million in damages for the waste incurred when his 2016 presidential campaign orchestrated and benefited from the distribution of funds to veterans groups, which had been donated by the public."

Again, campaign misuse of funds isn't stealing which is the claim from the user

 

[Washout]

Again, campaign misuse of funds isn't stealing which is the claim from the user

How is that not stealing??!!
Isn't that like saying I didn't steal your money that was meant to go to a soup kitchen to buy a house! I used that money to buy a sports car to make the deliveries in. Sure, from the money I saved not having to pay for a car I bought a house.

 

[chroniclard]

Its just another in the long line of Trump shady dealings and corruption.