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A President cannot obstruct congress, the executive is a co-equal branch, only the House combined with the senate has the same power as the executive

The President literally obstructs the drafting and passing of legislation
 
It won't actually happen, it's symbolic at best.. It has to pass a republican senate which it more than likely won't do. The democrats have been fishing for something on trump for nearly 3 years, first with the Russian hoax conspiracy theory they were pushing for 2 years then immediately switched to this..

The people are finally starting to see through all this crap the democrats are doing, I agree with others on here it will guarantee Trump another term for sure.

James Comey has finally been shown to be as corrupt as the rest of the deep state, I love it that he is getting brought to task about it - lies after lies after lies, it's so obvious he's a bad actor.
 
hominid said:
It won't actually happen, it's symbolic at best.. It has to pass a republican senate which it more than likely won't do. The democrats have been fishing for something on trump for nearly 3 years, first with the Russian hoax conspiracy theory they were pushing for 2 years then immediately switched to this..

The people are finally starting to see through all this crap the democrats are doing, I agree with others on here it will guarantee Trump another term for sure.

James Comey has finally been shown to be as corrupt as the rest of the deep state, I love it that he is getting brought to task about it - lies after lies after lies, it's so obvious he's a bad actor.
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How do manage to life with such ludicrous nonsense thoughts as these.
 
Pottsey said:
He was and he both pleaded guiltily and was found guiltily at the supreme court.
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False, he settled a lawsuit he wasn't convicted of any crime

The money actually went out, but because people from his campaign and not the foundation, handed it out in the "context" of the campaign not the foundation, it was improper. It's a process issue, not a moral issue. The purpose of the charity and that particular fundraising was met.

"Scarpulla said that she lowered the figure from $2.8 million to $2 million because the funds ultimately reached their intended destinations."
 
tang0 said:
"Being proven to be extremely corrupt, causing a serious crime of obstruction of Congress along with being dishonest and immoral"

You're so clueless, nothing you're alleging can be backed up. The President was asking Ukraine to honour their agreement with the US in fighting corruption. All of the socalled witnesses apart from one had any first hand knowledge of the call. Sondland was the only one to have first hand knowledge, he admitted in testimony to saying he was "presuming" that Trump was withholding aid in exchange for an investigation he even said Trump told him he wanted "no quid-pro-quo".

So there was no investigation, aid got released, there was no meeting, Zelensky was not aware aid was being withheld and said there was no pressure

And what has he obstructed? Obstruction of Congress is not even a real thing. The president has the power to veto congressional bills etc. They literally impeached him for having the authority of the POTUS.

So they've impeached him for "Abuse of power" which isn't even defined, and "Obstruction of Congress" which isn't even a real thing. And the only reason he got impeached is because they have the numbers in the house
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Immoral behaviour is easy to back up. He cheated on his wife multiple times often with porn stars and bribed people with secret payments to keep quite about it. 100% proven.

Corruption easy to backup, this November 2019. Trump fined over 2 million with a further 1.7 million assets stripped away to cover his illegal corruption and fraud from channelling money out of a charity. A charity he used as nothing more than his personal check book instead of using the charity money towards the mission statement. He used charity money to pay his sons boy scout fee’s. Over $10,000 on a self-portrait, channelled more money into his golf club, hotel, paid off business debts and more. All the while he was doing this, he was shouting 100% of the funds went to great charities. When it was really going towards his businesses and personal use. That's real evil corruption and its from Trump not anyone else. All 100% proven at the supreme court.

“And what has he obstructed? Obstruction of Congress is not even a real thing. The president has the power to veto congressional bills etc. They literally impeached him for having the authority of the POTUS.”
Yes he has that power to vetro which is not related to what I am talking about. There is meant to be oversight from Congress to keep the president in check to make sure there is no corruption and no dodgy dealings going on. You know like what happened with Nixon which is why Congress have that oversight power. Trump doesn’t have the power to ignore those oversight rules and given his already proven illegal corruption that oversight is a 100% must. It is illegal for Trump to hide and keep the full transcript. If he is so innocent why wont he release the full transcript?

Trump ordered White house staff not to cooperate with Congress, he ordered the Whitehorse staff to hide evidence from congress. One such example he hid the full transcript in an illegal way on a server it shouldn’t be on so Congress couldn't see it and do there job of oversight on the president. Trump repeatably refused to cooperate with Congress or provide what was asked for. That's proven Obstruction of Congress.

Don’t you call channelling vast sums of charity money into your own pocket abuse of power? That’s pure illegal corruption and that is what Trump did.

Everything I said about Trump is all 100% proven and unless you are suffering as a member of the TDS squad you should be able to acknowledge this.
 
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Pulsar_GTI said:
Interesting, thanks good explanation.

This is what I don't get though, everyone just jumping on the bandwangon, trying really hard to dig some dirt on him and hate him. People like rxodium above ... Worthless post, probably just posting what he sees on his Google news feed which has been adapted to what he wants to see.

Doesn't even seem like it's really bad. I'm reading this Biden guy done the same thing. Hilary may have done too?
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Influencing foreign powers to dig up dirt on the opposition is just about as “bad as it can get”. It’s directly undermining the heart of the US constitution - that of democracy itself.

All the evidence and witnesses testimonies so far point towards the fact that Trump, several of his associates and several other high level government officials were trying to coerce the Ukrainian Government (using the threat of stopping US government aid) into making a public statement about an investigation into the son of the the current front runner in the Democratic primaries (I.e. Trumps likely opponent in 2020).

Contrary to what the Republicans claim, the Ukranian government have not said this is false, they’re said they don’t want to get involved in US politics.

Also contrary to what the Republicans keep claiming, and counter to what Trump himself said yesterday, Trump has had plenty of opportunities to testify in the impeachment inquiry. The Democrats would love him to yet Trump has refused multiple times, along with refusing to testify under oath in the Mueller investigation. He’s also made sure that several senior aids and government workers do not testify either - one of he reasons for the second impeachment article (obstructing Congress). Unlike a criminal investigation Congress seem powerless to force them to testify.

It’s worth remembering at this point that Clinton’s impeachment was for lying to Congress about getting a blowjob... The reality of the situation is, if Trump took the stand, he would lie so much that that in itself would be another article of impeachment.

The other issue here is that this solicitation of foreign influence in US elections seems to be a recurring theme of his presidency. The Mueller investigation was looking into this, and came to the conclusion that there was not enough evidence to prosecute (or more precisely Mueller said it wasn’t his job to decide - it’s Barr’s job, who was put in place by Trump after he fired the previous AG during an investigation into Trump, along with the head of the FBI, also during an investigation into Trump) NOT, as Republicans like to claim, that there was no evidence.

Instead they also like to claim the Mueller investigation was “crooked”, and set about proving it by setting up an investigation into the investigators, which recently found it wasn’t (but there were some procedural issues).

Back to Biden - there is no evidence either he, or his son did anything wrong. Along with Hillary. The republicans like to claim there were Ukranian servers and other such things, all rebutted by US investigatory institutions. Yet, even while they are demonstratively false claims, the Republicans still bring them up - hence the comment about them using literal conspiracy theories to try and muddy the water and move the eye away from Russian interference.

Trump needs to hold on to power as long as possible because he knows, once he and his associates don’t have complete control of the judiciary and investigatory branches of the US state, that there will be criminal investigations into these issues and Trump and his associates will have to testify. Many of his associates have already been convicted, and it’s likely that possibly he pay be too after his presidential “immunity” runs out.

This is the man that currently has three Supreme Court cases due to his refusal to release his tax returns (which he has said he will do from the start of his presidential campaign). Those cases are heavily associated with fraud claims. While lawsuits can be relatively common amongst businesses, Trump has a disproportionate number against him.
 
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chroniclard said:
Anyone who mentions deep state and Russian hoaxes is melon.
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The FISA report confirmed that they rubber stamp an unverified rumor in order to spy, read emails and tap calls of an innocent American

Calling it a hoax doesn't do it justice, it was an attempted coup, and the Mueller investigation was the coverup
 
jsmoke said:
Interesting fact, he can be impeached multiple times.
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Hes been impeached twice. There was the potential for about half a dozen other articles associated with the Mueller enquiry and other things, but the Dems wanted to keep it directly associated with the Ukraine coercion rather than a more broad approach.
 
Concrete said:
According the democrats, the republicans, for some reason, disagree.
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The same Republicans that are spouting debunked conspiracy theories. The debunking being done by the US intelligence and investigatory services (FBI etc).

I think I’ll believe the Dems on this one, especially as their stories tally with the stories of other countries government officials.
 
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