US$750 to purchase, see image on previous page. (I accept that's Clevo MXM 1070, yet manufactured by MSI so MSI is already making a profit on that card). In the UK we normally pay £ on the $ so ~£750.
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US$750 to purchase, see image on previous page. (I accept that's Clevo MXM 1070, yet manufactured by MSI so MSI is already making a profit on that card). In the UK we normally pay £ on the $ so ~£750.
Why is comparing desktop processors in a thread about notebook processors a proper benchmark? My comparison used my actual existing CPU and the equivalent 6th gen CPU. How about you provide an actual benchmark using the CPU's in question, you know like I did?
Hypothetically, but let's work with actual facts, what are the benefits now in a notebook sold for gaming?
We both know why you are not providing figures
Please demonstrate a game where PCIe is twice as quick to load any aspect of a game? PCIe and NVME do not improve boot times, this has been demonstrated already.
My God! No MUX, No RAiD. (RAiD is not just about performance).
Yes, and MSI produce a notebook with matching features to the GT72 that is VR capable it's called the GT73VR, the VR aspect is down to the GPU nothing else.
So I showed the last 5 completed sales just on ebay, a number of them after Pascal had been released. I worked out the costs on the lowest sale value, not even an average. So you are just guessing a value to attribute to your MXM 970M whereas I am using the most recent sold values.
Denial is a powerful thing, you are accepting the scam and I wish you luck. If you read the other comments in this thread you will see you are alone thinking this is a 'fair offer'.
We have the same notebook.
It's an insult, not a deal.
MSI will not answer my emails any longer.
I asked which specific MXM upgrade are the costs or the program comparable to. I still await an answer.
As we can see from the offers being made, they are simple valuing our notebooks and offering a discount. This is not what they said they would do.
This is why this is a scam.
Oh how mature, MSI UK Notebook has blocked me being able to post on their facebook page. Edit: And deleting comments. Something to hide MSI?
If anyone would like to post on that page asking them why......
Andrew Borland.
Thanks.
Would you be kind enough to ask Neil to specify which previous MXM upgrade they are referring to in the announcement "
UK Pascal Trade-Upgrade Program" that the costs of this program are comparable to?
Cheers.
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And I dnt get why they value our laptops.... They should only value your chosen gfx and what it should cost as an MXM Upgrade
Grrrrr they ****ed off the wrong guy I refuse to drop this and im not going quietly with a ****ing settlement agreement either if it gets that far
Grrrrr they ****ed off the wrong guy I refuse to drop this and im not going quietly with a ****ing settlement agreement either if it gets that far
I think we know why mate, play nice and we might get somewhere.
Had a chat with Neil seems alright, remember they are people just like us and it's MSI the COMPANY not the workers that have f-d up here lets try and refrain from taking our frustration out on them.
Anyway, after a 30 min chat making them aware I wasn't happy "they are going to see what they can do"
tbh here they are telling me a few have accepted the offer, perhaps more money than sense, but they seem happy with seeing it as a resolution with only a small amount of people accepting the deal which is wrong, deal needs to be correct for all!
I suggest we pool together, compare deals and hold out for the best GROUP solution, thats how they get it done in the USA.
I would plead with every MSI laptop owner affected to HOLD OUT ON ANY DEAL REMEMBER YOU HAVE UNTIL 31st to DECIDE!
He didnt promise but he will see what he can do, there MUST be room for improvement here as it's clear previous MXM upgrades (minus resale value of card) wasn;t looked at here, he is going to try and provide some numbers tomorrow (taiwan is asleep right now apparently).
tbc.....
edit: sent an email to saveonlaptops/box director/sales as they are still advertising this on their site as MXM upgradeability, how many have been sold since MSI knew about this issue and how do they feel that they have lost customers due to MSI's failure to honour a deal as advertised.
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Did Neil tell you which previous MXM upgrade the announcement was based upon?
UK Pascal Trade-Upgrade Program said:
MSI offer email said:
There has been no published date as to when we must accept the offer, only a date to register interest by and a time period to submit our notebooks once we have accepted the offer.
Don't let MSI claim they have published a date that we must accept an offer by.
@Neil/Loki, feel free to email me if this is incorrect, demonstrating where exactly MSI have said we have a time limit to accept the offer.
Edit: Can anyone understand this
MSI offer email said:
........Still waiting for my offer......
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he didnt say, he couldn't as i think he knew they haven't done this kept banging on about value of my old laptop which I would not engage in a conversation about as I told him this shouldn't even come into it.
and it states after this period i.e 2 weeks after 31st "the offer will no longer be valid" but you can take further action ofc should you choose to reject the offer it doesn't just end there.
and it states after this period i.e 2 weeks after 31st "the offer will no longer be valid" but you can take further action ofc should you choose to reject the offer it doesn't just end there.
do you think they are concluding the deal before jan for this reason;
oh and 1 last thing. the 7th generation i7 cpu's nicknamed kaby lake are due in January. the trade up option program is still only going to be giving us the 6th generation with the laptops in january
otherwise they would probably have to do a deal with the more expensive 7th gen losing them even more $$?
oh and 1 last thing. the 7th generation i7 cpu's nicknamed kaby lake are due in January. the trade up option program is still only going to be giving us the 6th generation with the laptops in january
otherwise they would probably have to do a deal with the more expensive 7th gen losing them even more $$?
They are not losing money on the 6th gen, they won't lose money on the 7th gen, they'd just hike the trade in price.
***I'm guessing, our values for existing notebooks is based on an assumed resale value in a developing area.***
no doubt they will refurb (hence saying any missing parts will be charged at retail prices) idk about developing areas, who buys a 1k+ laptop? more so for the cheaper "used/refurb" markets for people that can not afford or justify the crazy prices we pay.
i also told him he can shove the SRP, no on looks at this price, prices need to be retail/proven sold prices etc CURRENT prices, not prices out of thin air.
but it does seem they are trying to keep a few people happy and reduce the impact this issue has over their bottom line at year end.
Regarding the "trade up" I purchased a GT72s 6qd last year on black friday sales, It encountered a problem with the graphics and got a RMA where I was then given a complimentary upgrade from a 970m 6gb to a 4gb 980m this making it a GT72S 6QE model which got to me early January. Back in July this year the laptop went again MSI went ahead and replaced both the monitor and the motherboard and sent it back to me for August
I have seen all the messages from msi ranging from it can be upgraded to a 1060 or a 1070 to "we can upgrade it at all" to even its own staff unaware of the business contact details they give out in the signature of there emails. no one in the company I have spoken to seems to have a clue as to whats going on. Anyway as you can see from the picture MSI offered me £959 off a laptop however there valuation is on the 970m not the 980m which was given to me as a free upgrade. You can also see the format in what msi listed is pretty awful, they even listed one machine as having 8gb ram not 16gb the cpu is described as a "i7" also the gpu that is in the machine is not listed. I know high school students who could have made a better spreadsheet detailing the hardware in the machine. These trade ups are said to not be here until January. The 7th gen intel kaby lake is due out in that time and these laptops on the msi website are listed as coming with the "latest cpu" could those who do opt to trade in take comfort in knowing they got a 7th gen cpu? or is it going to be 6th gen?
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**** off please. I cannot believe it, you are on your little crusade so everybody should follow you blindly
, It is like a religion, no room for freedom.You are so wrong on so much things...You are certainly a Raid1 on your Notebook ? Mouaaaaaaah..It is to protect all the games you are playing at ?
...Your little benchmark with your own PC that has its own installation ? You have no clue how we do a proper benchmark as I explained, Desktop or notebook is not an argument, Haswell against Skylake is the argument. All these Benchmark software are in general not consistent, depending too much how your PC is running. you have to do benchmark on several software, a proper benchmark as I explained.G-Sync or PCI-e Is not balancing your so-called loss of features ?
Much more people than you think are kind of OK with the deal, funny you are saying this as you are participating to a thread on another forum where there is kind of happy people about the deal...liar.
What are you looking for ? MSI to lick your feet ? Won't happen, it is business, they know they have done a mistake, they will obviously try to come out with the less damages and loss of money possible, not fair on many perspective but not a first time. You have money and time to sue them, go on do it but please do not try to force on me your crusade and to end up almost insulting me. You see, if you would have been a bit nicer and smarter, I would even participated to your crusade, I was ready to give money..Not very surprising that MSI is blocking you from everywhere seeing how you react.
A last thing : you had your computer at a very good price (1399), fully normal that MSI si taking in account the price you have your computer at, same case as tropicola, what is important is the money you have already gave to MSI, I gave much more than you so I have a better discount.
**** off please. I cannot believe it, you are on your little crusade so everybody should follow you blindly
You are so wrong on so much things...You are certainly a Raid1 on your Notebook ? Mouaaaaaaah..It is to protect all the games you are playing at ?
G-Sync or PCI-e Is not balancing your so-called loss of features ?
Much more people than you think are kind of OK with the deal, funny you are saying this as you are participating to a thread on another forum where there is kind of happy people about the deal...liar.
What are you looking for ? MSI to lick your feet ? Won't happen, it is business, they know they have done a mistake, they will obviously try to come out with the less damages and loss of money possible, not fair on many perspective but not a first time. You have money and time to sue them, go on do it but please do not try to force on me your crusade and to end up almost insulting me. You see, if you would have been a bit nicer and smarter, I would even participated to your crusade, I was ready to give money..Not very surprising that MSI is blocking you from everywhere seeing how you react.
A last thing : you had your computer at a very good price (1399), fully normal that MSI si taking in account the price you have your computer at, same case as tropicola, what is important is the money you have already gave to MSI, I gave much more than you so I have a better discount.
Actually I had my computer for £1,100.
But what's that got to do with a trade-upgrade, as MSI announced that costs a comparable amount to previous MXM upgrades.
I'm all for personal freedom, but you compared desktop cpus, I compared the actual cpus relevant to this situation. I then showed a demonstrative example of how there is little difference. You showed an article about desktop cpus, different wattage, different cooling environment, therefore different headroom (but you know all of this working in IT).
I asked you to demonstrate the benefits in gaming using PCIe SSD's over SATA, you didn't.
Feel to explain your opinion of a proper benchmark for a gaming laptop, I am open to the challenge. Actual CPU vs CPU comparison - http://processors.specout.com/compare/1798-1893/Intel-Core-i7-4720HQ-vs-Intel-Core-i7-6700HQ
My PC has it's own installation, what does that even mean? You work it IT, feel free to explain what you mean by this?
(To be fair I know, but explain it anyway. Oh, the laptop I compared with in the benchmark has exactly the same installation).
Thinking you have the measure of someones intelligence by their forum posts just demonstrates your naivety.
I said you were the only person in "this thread" that thought this was a fair offer. In the NBR thread about 10-15 people have accepted the offers made.
I wonder what that is as a percentage of those involved in the upgrade program?
G-Sync demonstrates it's capabilities at low (25-35) fps, I don't think there is much a GTX 1070 will require it for at 1080p. I even had G-Sync on this PC for a while and the benefit was barely noticeable (if you don't understand how you can have g-sync on a non-g-sync pc, not my problem
).PCIe, well raided sata SSD loads everything PDQ, I don't need PCIe.
I don't need a new notebook, I want a better GPU for gaming. I bought this PC because the manufacturer advertised that the GPU's were upgradable.
I want a cost comparable way to upgrade to GTX 1070/1080 as an alternative for the lack of physical MXM card with the features I currently have. I don't want to pay for hardware I do not require, why would I?
I want MSI to stick to their word and provide this at a cost comparable to previous MXM upgrades.
Merry Christmas anyway bro, life's just to short to fall out with someone that has been treated this badly by MSI too.
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PLEASE STOP with the personal attacks, stay on topic.
In reply however to barth;
doesn't matter what we paid, we were offered an upgrade of a GPU which for example if all three of us bought the 1080 upgrade, it WOULD HAVE COST THE SAME AMOUNT
I will not be penalised because I shopped around and waited and you wanted it then and there (which ofc you pay a premium as you admitted). We had our computers at a FAIR price, you paid over the odds im afraid mate and now your happy getting ripped off again (which ever way you look at it, in my case 1,000 for a 1060 plus my laptop? I can buy a 1060 brand new for 1,000 and STILL have my laptop to sell for about 800 on ebay for sure, if the gfx alone sells for 350 PROVEN).
The value of our laptop has NOTHING or the spec, to do with it!
I've logged an ombudsman case - CONS000000013801 anyone wising to join me on this, please me your name and a contact email.
and what are we looking for?
As advertised at the time of purchase, a GPU upgrade or a GPU upgrade at a GPU upgrade price as per msi "at comparable mxm prices" not get ripped off.
They have made a mistake it needs to be fixed, otherwise what is the point in advertising and consumer laws?
Also please do not compare what we are doing here to crusades or religion, you are insulting members of all faiths here (I don't have a faith myself) however everyone is entitled to believe what they want. in this case misjah is just trying to do what he believes in, which in this case is consumer rights, he wants what he was promised and paid for in a legally binding sales contract, he hasn't asked for damages or 1 million or a new car, he wants what he was promised, nothing more, nothing less - same for me however, I want to ensure EVERYONE gets a fair deal, not just myself.
In reply however to barth;
doesn't matter what we paid, we were offered an upgrade of a GPU which for example if all three of us bought the 1080 upgrade, it WOULD HAVE COST THE SAME AMOUNT
I will not be penalised because I shopped around and waited and you wanted it then and there (which ofc you pay a premium as you admitted). We had our computers at a FAIR price, you paid over the odds im afraid mate and now your happy getting ripped off again (which ever way you look at it, in my case 1,000 for a 1060 plus my laptop? I can buy a 1060 brand new for 1,000 and STILL have my laptop to sell for about 800 on ebay for sure, if the gfx alone sells for 350 PROVEN).
The value of our laptop has NOTHING or the spec, to do with it!
I've logged an ombudsman case - CONS000000013801 anyone wising to join me on this, please me your name and a contact email.
and what are we looking for?
As advertised at the time of purchase, a GPU upgrade or a GPU upgrade at a GPU upgrade price as per msi "at comparable mxm prices" not get ripped off.
They have made a mistake it needs to be fixed, otherwise what is the point in advertising and consumer laws?
Also please do not compare what we are doing here to crusades or religion, you are insulting members of all faiths here (I don't have a faith myself) however everyone is entitled to believe what they want. in this case misjah is just trying to do what he believes in, which in this case is consumer rights, he wants what he was promised and paid for in a legally binding sales contract, he hasn't asked for damages or 1 million or a new car, he wants what he was promised, nothing more, nothing less - same for me however, I want to ensure EVERYONE gets a fair deal, not just myself.
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Ok guys, merry christmas, no prob.
I just have some difficulties when somebody is telling that I'm in denial, I'm NOT, I know what I'm talking about so please avoid that sort of assessment on a forum, otherwise, there will be a strong reaction.
I'm not putting in question anyone rights, never done, I just refuse that somebody is saying that I'm in denial when I'm not. My perspective is as valid as anybody else.
As explained, I understand perfectly the issue and I found that the offer made to me was kind of fair, not perfect, not what I would have liked, I would wish to pay only 400 pounds instead of 880 as I do not need to have a new computer.
Also, please do not tell me that you are trying to be the good samaritans because you would like a good deal for everybody else..please lets not lie to ourselves here, we just want a good deal for ourselves, there is no issue with this.
Anyway, tropicola, I will provide you my name/email by MP and I will finally refuse the deal from MSI, I'm taking a risk here but yep, at the end, MSI needs to make a better deal and recognized they have advertized wrongly their product. I do think it is important to fight for these things, hence why I will participate to it.
And if anybody else as another case open, will do the same.
I just have some difficulties when somebody is telling that I'm in denial, I'm NOT, I know what I'm talking about so please avoid that sort of assessment on a forum, otherwise, there will be a strong reaction.
I'm not putting in question anyone rights, never done, I just refuse that somebody is saying that I'm in denial when I'm not. My perspective is as valid as anybody else.
As explained, I understand perfectly the issue and I found that the offer made to me was kind of fair, not perfect, not what I would have liked, I would wish to pay only 400 pounds instead of 880 as I do not need to have a new computer.
Also, please do not tell me that you are trying to be the good samaritans because you would like a good deal for everybody else..please lets not lie to ourselves here, we just want a good deal for ourselves, there is no issue with this.
Anyway, tropicola, I will provide you my name/email by MP and I will finally refuse the deal from MSI, I'm taking a risk here but yep, at the end, MSI needs to make a better deal and recognized they have advertized wrongly their product. I do think it is important to fight for these things, hence why I will participate to it.
And if anybody else as another case open, will do the same.
Beleive me im man of my word I am trying to get a bettwr deal for everyone. Id gladly reject any deal if it meant others get a better deal also.
And thanks mate yes a risk for you but I beleive msi will bow to pressure 12k views here already
Let u know how my convo with Neil goes
And thanks mate yes a risk for you but I beleive msi will bow to pressure 12k views here already
Let u know how my convo with Neil goes
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Looks like the private message function is disabled, I cannot send anything to you privately.
Could you provide a temporary email where we can exchange ?
Thx
Could you provide a temporary email where we can exchange ?
Thx
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