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We'll miss you when you stop putting money in your meter. When do you plan to start your protest?
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Next summer when I start generating enough energy to keep my batteries filled againWe'll miss you when you stop putting money in your meter. When do you plan to start your protest?
. Til then I’ll continue using my fit payments to fill my meter
No, because if you see the post you quoted I mention Ofgem being at fault, not the SC
I don't know which data you are looking at but we are above pre pandemic levels and the recovery was clearly V shaped on any gdp graph you look at.
UK economy above pre-Covid levels in November
Faster than expected growth meant the economy was 0.7% larger than in February 2020, official figures show.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Your phone needs charged
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It’s been needing charge for the last 4 hours.Your phone needs charged
Of course it easy for me to be smug but no one gave me it. I brought the battery back when everyone was saying it a waste of money. Sure going to pay itself off though, much quicker now.
I’ve been following the energy related comments posted on Twitter, other social media and the major news sites for over a year. There is a general lack of understanding in the UK of how the energy system works. Which means the reasons for protest are not valid.
Something has to be done - protesting by not paying energy bills is not the answer !
-> Short term : I expect the Government will step in ahead of the October price cap increase and provide more financial help, on top of what has already been done.
-> Medium term : Energy policies are being reviewed with the aim of improving the pricing model and looking at options of de-coupling gas and renewable pricing.
-> Long term : Investment is ramping up for renewable and nuclear energy generation. This will remove the reliance on gas and start to move consumers into a residential electric (and Hydrogen) future.
- Energy suppliers aren’t making more than 5% profit, so not billions. It doesn’t help everytime Centrica profits are reported it’s headlined as ‘British Gas owner Centrica has made £xbn‘
- Energy producers don’t set the energy wholesale prices - they just happen to benefit from the high price.
- Along with loads of other price cap, wholesale cost etc.. misunderstandings.
Something has to be done - protesting by not paying energy bills is not the answer !
-> Short term : I expect the Government will step in ahead of the October price cap increase and provide more financial help, on top of what has already been done.
-> Medium term : Energy policies are being reviewed with the aim of improving the pricing model and looking at options of de-coupling gas and renewable pricing.
-> Long term : Investment is ramping up for renewable and nuclear energy generation. This will remove the reliance on gas and start to move consumers into a residential electric (and Hydrogen) future.
People protesting by not paying will not make the energy companies lower prices lol.
What might happen is more government debt as government help out.
Or more firms go bust or just leave the UK.
Remember, these big boys are international.
What might happen is more government debt as government help out.
Or more firms go bust or just leave the UK.
Remember, these big boys are international.
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Yeah misdirected perhaps but they have no point of contact with the producers, they have shielded themselves. It’s desperate times for a lot of people so desperate measures is what they will take. I understand it, I support it, wether it’s right or wrong something needs to be done. So put pressure on the government in any way you can.
We still have to pay for it. If the government pay for it. We pay for it
Standing charge…. Which increased to pay those who went bust and doesn’t explain your £60 to £130 a month.No, because if you see the post you quoted I mention Ofgem being at fault, not the SC
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We pay for it anyway. We pay for everything in one form or another.
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Actually the UK is exporting gas to the EU from our grid. Permissions have been given and the pipeline is open.
So get away with your petty Brexit peevishness.
UK maximizing gas export capacity to mainland Europe: National Grid
The UK has long standing gas emergency procedures in place, including load shedding on interconnectors, but for now is maximizing export capacity available to mainland Europe, a National Grid spokespewww.spglobal.com
We have been exporting 75 million cubic metres of gas to Belgium and Holland through our interconnectors every day
The suggestion was that Europe could, collectively, regulate the price of gas, and then ration it to make sure nobody runs out. That would mean:
a) Working constructively with the EU.
b) Accepting gas rationing so that countries like Germany and Poland won't run out of gas even if Russia shuts off all exports to Europe.
There's just no way that plays well in this country, particularly with the government we currently have.
For heavens sake! Are we really going to go down the simply disproved argument of 'unchecked capitalism' when the simple answer as to why people in the UK pay more for petrol and diesel than people in Spain is the taxation levied on these fuels by the respective governments!
This is a long running trend (for the UK to be amongst one of the most highly taxed countries for petrol and diesel) for much longer than the last decade and through multiple governments from coalitions, Labour and the Conservatives
So much like many people on these pages you seen to not have the faintest idea of what the words you throw out mean!
'Unchecked capitalism' - what absolute nonsense
The Spanish just choose to (directly) tax their population less and consequently pay out less per capita as a result. Some older figures but I doubt the long standing pattern has changed...
If you think cutting government taxes AND spending less (per capita) will help constrain 'unchecked capitalism' in the UK then please feel free to advocate on that basis!
It really is funny that you blame my view on 'reading the Daily Mail' when you resort to such nonsense as blaming 'unchecked capitalism' for the UK's current fuel price and give Spain as an example of somewhere doing better in this regard.
'herp derp mUh uNChecKeD cAPitaLISm....' apparently you need to stop reading so much nonsense on the internet!
The blame bit for the UK government was in quotes ' '
....maybe you should go look up what that means? (hint in means I was indicating that the UK government can't actually do that much to influence the prices we are paying for petrol, diesel, electricity and gas without causing some major issues elsewhere like for example a massive loss of tax revenue or environmental issues)
And as has previous been said it doesn't really matter that we get most of gas from Norway because we aren't the only customers for their gas and so if the worlds supply is affected elsewhere this will still affect the price we pay for gas from Norway
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doesn't seem to chime with what the BBC website says on the matter...
In June of this year OPEC + were producing 'some two and a half million barrels a day less than in spring 2020'
and since then we have had:
'For July and August, Opec+ had agreed to add more than 600,000 barrels a day to the market.
But after the latest meeting, Opec+ decided it would raise oil output by just 100,000 barrels per day from September in what some analysts described as an insult.''
With there having been no other increase in oil production in June (in fact a small decline from the previous month for the OPEC members)
So that's still around 1.2 million barrels a day short by September of this year assuming OPEC meet their targets (which they have failed to do previously, see above)
The facts are simple... oil producers could (not immediately) increase output by 'pumping' investment into increasing extraction.... but they are not stupid and can see a looming world recession on the horizon which will likely dampen the demand for oil and so why would they increase production and do their own legs when the worlds economy takes a downturn when they can say that their existing extraction infrastructure is, in some places, near capacity (which is true) whilst they sit back and reap the financial rewards in the here and now of higher prices?
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I think it will gain some traction but nowhere near a million people, there is lots of videos about it spreading on tiktok, but I have also seen some videos on there warning people of the consequences of defaulting on their bills.
The UK population as a whole I just think isnt capable of mass protest. It has been groomed to be very compliant and self serving.
The UK population as a whole I just think isnt capable of mass protest. It has been groomed to be very compliant and self serving.
All that will happen is the long term anti bill payers will be put on a pre-payment meter. Meaning if they don’t add their own energy credit (at higher cost than a DD account) then they have no gas or electric.
Basically putting themesleves in a worse position and making it harder in the future to get any credit.
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That would also mean that countries like Italy accept restrictions on usage to help their confreres, the Germans. There seems little solidarity within the EU camp so being critical of the UK when we are assisting with their situation seems very petty.
We are with the EU, we have the same aspirations for democracy in Europe. We do not need their ever closer political union and we can cooperate equally well nation to nation as we are.
Germany has made some poor decisions recently with energy provision. We closed down our coal and are currently closing nuclear to go for gas, not ideal however we are going back to nuclear as a backup for our renewables. Germany is closing down its nuclear and reopening 13Gw of coal power stations to backup it's renewables also needing gas.
However much gas can be rationed in Europe it will not cover Germanys use without coal. Britain will do its part in cooperation with the EU to assist.