Dover Ferry Queues

CapitalOne · 23 Jul 2022 at 20:00

Freefaller said:
I'm part Cypriot and can speak reasonable Greek... Does that count?

Whoopa!

200sols · 23 Jul 2022 at 20:00

Now we know why he likes unbearable heat.

Dirk Diggler · 23 Jul 2022 at 20:04

Chris Wilson said:
Until you get a reply from a Greek scholar I'll have to rely on English dictionaries, as this is indeed being debated here in England.

Overclockers UK

Chris Wilson · 23 Jul 2022 at 20:10

Freefaller said:
I'm part Cypriot and can speak reasonable Greek... Does that count?

No, of course not.

We're talking about the *English* language here

jpaul · 23 Jul 2022 at 21:49

Learned? - Boris might have a good memory for things Greek , just a pity the **** didn't apply the ethos of their way of life eg. Memento mori to his actions,
his legacy is in the dirt.

e: Latin but QED

Will this be a reoccurring issue?
The delays are not necessarily a surprise.

The UK government rejected a £33million proposal by the Port of Dover in 2020 to double the number of French passport control booths from five to 10 in anticipation of lengthier checks linked to (e: B*****. ) recupera imperium

ubersonic · 23 Jul 2022 at 22:02

CapitalOne said:
Chris in no mortal dimension does “phobia” mean ”dislike or prejudice”.

xenophobia

/zɛnəˈfəʊbɪə/

noun

dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

There are a lot of cases where what something is/was intended to mean what it now means in practice/usage differ, and this is one (homophobia is another good example).

dlockers · 23 Jul 2022 at 22:05

jpaul said:
Learned? - Boris might have a good memory for things Greek , just a pity the **** didn't apply the ethos of their way of life eg. Memento mori to his actions,
his legacy is in the dirt.

e: Latin but QED

There are 12 so this must be old

Chris Wilson · 23 Jul 2022 at 22:06

ubersonic said:
xenophobia
/zɛnəˈfəʊbɪə/
noun
dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

There are a lot of cases where what something is/was intended to mean what it now means in practice/usage differ, and this is one (homophobia is another good example).

No no, Freefaller is part Cypriot. Dictionaries take a distant second place...

CapitalOne · 23 Jul 2022 at 22:07

ubersonic said:
xenophobia
/zɛnəˈfəʊbɪə/
noun
dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

There are a lot of cases where what something is/was intended to mean what it now means in practice/usage differ, and this is one (homophobia is another good example).

I’m aware of the colloquial form, I was just tugging at the irony of using now incorrectly used Greek root words to sound fancy when what is really meant is “racist”. I’m going to call it “intelli-washing” (like green-washing) i.e. to make something unpleasant or base sound better by using big words. Johnsonesque?

eta: fear of strangers fits the bill better don’t you think? I mean, it is exactly what racism is after all.

Chris Wilson · 23 Jul 2022 at 22:34

CapitalOne said:
I’m aware of the colloquial form, I was just tugging at the irony of using now incorrectly used Greek root words to sound fancy when what is really meant is “racist”. I’m going to call it “intelli-washing” (like green-washing) i.e. to make something unpleasant or base sound better by using big words. Johnsonesque?

eta: fear of strangers fits the bill better don’t you think? I mean, it is exactly what racism is after all.

Someone take that spade off of him please

Anyway, a few days ago you implied you had me on "ignore", your irresistible nosiness is rather flattering. So where are we now with dictionary definitions? Racism means the same as xenophobia? You have a friend in this thread, who seems to put himself forward as an expert in linguistics, what says he?

Diddums · 23 Jul 2022 at 22:51

[Puts himself forward as an expert in linguistics]

You're both dumbasses, stop arguing about this nonsense

Chris Wilson · 23 Jul 2022 at 22:58

Diddums said:
[Puts himself forward as an expert in linguistics]

You're both dumbasses, stop arguing about this nonsense

Hmm, the semantics of the English language are not nonsense, and are worth arguing over, but I will take my victory and go forth into the night, if not go forth and multiply

GordyR · 24 Jul 2022 at 00:08

Bug One said:
What Maccy removed was usual one liner 'Bloody Brexit innit' type response from the usual crowd.

Do you agree that the UK choosing to leave the EU means that UK citizens are subject to greater checks at EU borders in the same way that EU citizens are subject to greater checks at those very same borders?

Or do you believe that British citizens are subject to precisely the same scrutiny at EU borders as before that “B” word?

By “B” word, I mean that event that’s still highly relevant to this discussion, but that we’ve been told we mustn't ever mention.

Because, you know… Reasons.

dowie · 24 Jul 2022 at 01:15

If only there was a special containment thread for people to go and chat about that stuff...

loftie · 24 Jul 2022 at 03:43

Slam62 said:
Don't like queues, don't go

Don't like queues?! For a true Brit the queue is the holiday :cry:

Dirk Diggler · 24 Jul 2022 at 05:30

You've got to laugh at the Little Englander thinking that xenophobia is an English word, and that the phobia part can't possibly mean fear... An Englishman, afraid of filthy foreigners? Pah!

Superb schadenfreude.

Freakbro · 24 Jul 2022 at 05:33

Chris Wilson said:
Someone take that spade off of him please

You just can't help it with the racist epithets can you!

Irish_Tom · 24 Jul 2022 at 06:39

Irish_Tom said:
Currently at the tunnel and it’s already gridlocked… stayed in a hotel <0.5 miles from the terminal, have an early train booked and got up early to account for the delays. Been sat in traffic since 5am — it’s going to be carnage later today.

Posted that an hour ago. Haven’t moved since.

jpaul · 24 Jul 2022 at 07:14

good luck .

need an OC (outside accredited) journalist on the ground at the ferry terminal to count the car kiosks available for the french passport checks ..
conservative mp exclusively says 12 .. other sources / itv / sky suggest 10/5/7 , and some new ones installed recently and maybe not operational yet ...
definitely a vagueness in the port of Dover details ... it does sound like the Boris truth disease

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 24 Jul 2022 at 07:24

Chris Wilson said:
Excuse me, but the definition of xenophobia is not a fear of "other cultures" or those "who speak funny", you are judging me by the wrong criteria, the definition is:

"a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries"

Your statement hit me later last night that it didnt agree with my recollection of xenophbia in the dictionary, I thought it was more extreme, so I just checked the two main UK dictionaries
I hope Oxford and Cambridge are British enough for you, funny the definition is a little more extreme and seemingly more accurate than how your portrayed

Oxford (https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionar...nophobia-,noun,of people from other countries)
"a strong feeling of dislike or fear of people from other countries"

Cambridge (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/xenophobia)
"extreme dislike or fear of foreigners, their customs, their religions, etc"

I would equate customs to culture and I am fairly certain language would fit well in that description as well.

Imagine a world where you openly think that holding that position is fine and not something you need help with.

When you look at Phobia generally (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/phobia)
"a type of anxiety disorder (= a mental illness that makes someone very worried and affects their life) that involves an extreme fear of something"

Bless you, maybe seek some proper medical help. I have heard that a lot of phobias can be dealt with to at least reduce their negative impact on peoples lives.

Dover Ferry Queues

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