Dr. Disrespect permanently banned from Twitch

Chuk_Chuk said:
Are you new to internet? Let people decide for themselves. Why would anyone willing open themselves up the court of public opinion? Have you missed the past decade? The court of public opinion is full bitter people who enjoy tearing others down for their own amusement and has nothing to do with finding the truth or fairly analysing information.

First and foremost IMO people who ran with him being a .pdf based on hearsy don't have a right to demand chat logs. It is disingenuous for them to pretend like they care about evidence.
Secondly confirmation bias. The people who still think he is guilty have ignored stuff in his statement that would challenge them. See stumblebumble above. They would simply shift the goal post and look for other things to attack him with.
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If he did nothing wrong then just show the messages. Simple really.
 
arknor said:
He's already appealing to the court of public opinion? he should back up his claims.

you know the good old fashioned "put up or shut up"
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His public statement, might have something to do with someone publicly accusing him of sexting a minor.

And I will point you back to this

Chuk_Chuk said:
The burden is to prove that he is guilty not innocent.
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So in your own words
arknor said:
"put up or shut up"
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Chuk_Chuk said:
Your logic is backwards.
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It really isn't. This has all gone rather public due to Dr Disrepect himself. If there was never any substance to the allegations nothing further would ever of happened, we wouldn't even of heard anything about it and he'd still be on Twtich, his OWN gaming company wouldn't have dropped him once they found out the details. Everything would be normal.

You can't come out and admit you did wrong, then turn around months later and say, oh no actually I didn't do it and not provide the evidence. It's very very simple, if he wants people to believe he is innocent then provide all the messages and details surrounding the situation and clear his name.

Imagine thinking that wanting evidence so we can make informed decisions is being too entitled. LOL.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
So in your own
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He's wanting us to believe whatever he did couldn't be seen as grooming but won't tell us what it was, or even give examples... so yea its on him to show hard facts if he wants to win the court of public appeal...

"taking out of context" .... right... as said just because he didn't do anything illegal, doesn't mean he wasn't morally bankrupt

Shut up or put up, until then it's just controversy for clicks.


"above age oif consent" makes everything legal man just ask all the pedos that visit thailand etc ever year
 
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arknor said:
why doest he just post the chat logs and let people decide for themselves.

also when he says "they are over the age of consent" does he mean in their country/state I'm guessing it was a sixteen year old ?


whatever he said was probably border line weird to someone half your age
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In the US you get done if you go to countries with a lower age of consent for sex, i think you do here too.

I think the age of consent in the US depends on the state, 16 to 18 but on a federal level its 18.

Again, Twitch admitted in court that he was not sexting, there was nothing sexual and this person was over the age of consent, so to Dr Disrespect its 18 or older.

He took Twitch to court, you don't do that if you have something to hide, because you're showing the law everything that was said and done.
 
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humbug said:
The proposition here being he lied, aside from sexting under age people is VERY illegal you also can't lie about what happened in court, well you can but you will find yourself in very hot water.
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Where is your evidence he won a case in court? Settling to drop a case is pretty common, it certainly does not = innocent and I believe this is what happened many months ago.

I genuinely would love to know what case was won in court? Please link me.
 
humbug said:
You're not listening :) i replied one more above you, he went to the courts, the law looked at it and found no wrong doing, how do i know that? because he's not in prison, why did he do that? Because he knew he did nothing wrong.
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Are you being obtuse on purpose ? He literally said they settled out of court, the law looked at nothing because it was settled, do you not understand what a settlement is ?
 
Stumble Bum said:
Where is your evidence he won a case in court? Settling to drop a case is pretty common, it certainly does not = innocent and I believe this is what happened many months ago.

I genuinely would love to know what case was won in court? Please link me.
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Not doing anything illegal = Innocent.

Sexting underage people is very black or white, you either did or you didn't, there is no grey.
 
Stumble Bum said:
This has all gone rather public due to Dr Disrepect himself.
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So are we just going to pretend that Cody doesn't exist and didn't publicly accuse him of sexting a minor and trying to meet up for sex?

Stumble Bum said:
If there was never any substance to the allegations nothing further would ever of happened, we wouldn't even of heard anything about it and he'd still be on Twtich,
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I'm assuming what you are trying to say is if there was no substance to the allegation of him sexting a minor he wouldn't have banned on twitch.
If that is what you are trying to say, then I would point out if that if there was any substance to the allegations then this matter should be handled by the police. And that twitch paying out his contract and agreeing to a gag order is recklessly irresponsible.

Most importantly if you actually believed that there was any substance to the allegations then people such as yourself should be demanding a proper police investigation not this court of public opinion stuff.

Stumble Bum said:
his OWN gaming company wouldn't have dropped him once they found out the details
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We don't actually know what details they found or what was discussed in the background. Nothing we can actually do with it, since people can make up their own imaginary details of what the gaming company found.

Stumble Bum said:
You can't come out and admit you did wrong,
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That's not what happened though. He released a vague statement. The problem with vague statements is that people can interpret them however they wish.

Stumble Bum said:
oh no actually I didn't do it and not provide the evidence
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Hitchen's razor comes to mind. You believed him without evidence. Why didn't you demand evidence back then?

Stumble Bum said:
It's very very simple, if he wants people to believe he is innocent then provide all the messages and details surrounding the situation and clear his name.
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It called innocent until proven guilty. A foreign concept to people online.

Stumble Bum said:
Imagine thinking that wanting evidence so we can make informed decisions is being too entitled. LOL.
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Is this you making your informed decision with "evidence"?
Stumble Bum said:
wtf, it's incredible the lengths some people will go to to think of any excuse. It's like a cult.

What a an appalling mindset you have, trying everything you can to dismiss child grooming.
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I apologise for saying that your logic is backwards because it ain't.
Your logic is this guy is guilty and now i'm looking for evidence of guilt.

@arknor FYI i did read your message, most of what I wrote above also applies to what you wrote.
you have not "put up" any evidence.
 
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humbug said:
Not doing anything illegal = Innocent.

Sexting underage people is very black or white, you either did or you didn't, there is no grey.
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Actually, from a legal perspective it's not black or white. I already mentioned this a few posts ago. Messages to the vast majority can be considered grooming, full of innuendos etc, but if you don't spell out exactly the intent then it becomes difficult to conclusively prove in a court of law.

For example, being flirty with a minor and following it up with 'I can't wait until your birthday, I'm so excited you'll finally be 16' can be interpreted in several ways. But anyone with an ounce of common sense can understand the intent when looking at the conversation as a whole.

This is probably why Doc yesterday started going on about the 'legal' definition of what sexting is.

Edit: But from a morality view, you can see why such messages = instant dismissal from twitch, from Youtube monetisation and even from his own gaming company.
 
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Stumble Bum said:
Actually, from a legal perspective it's not black or white. I already mentioned this a few posts ago. Messages to the vast majority can be considered grooming, full of innuendos etc, but if you don't spell out exactly the intent then it becomes difficult to conclusively prove in a court of law.

For example, being flirty with a minor and following it up with 'I can't wait until your birthday, I'm so excited you'll finally be 16' can be interpreted in several ways. But anyone with an ounce of common sense can understand the intent when looking at the conversation as a whole.

This is probably why Doc yesterday started going on about the 'legal' definition of what sexting is.
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The "oh its complicated" argument, endlessly inventing grey areas and pretend the law doesn't know what grooming is to keep alive the suspicion.
 
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