Draytek Vigor 130 and FTTC SNR setting increased sync

Unfortunately DLM can be a bit Nazi like, you're just going to have to wait. If it's sync'd at 67 dead on then it may have banded you. The only way to get it removed beyond waiting, is a DLM reset.
 
ChrisD. said:
Unfortunately DLM can be a bit Nazi like, you're just going to have to wait. If it's sync'd at 67 dead on then it may have banded you. The only way to get it removed beyond waiting, is a DLM reset.
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Well i can get it to sync at 80 at 3SNR but the errors on the line start coming in and i want stability so i guess might speed up over time but i want my nice low pings back :'-(

bledd said:
How do you find out what type of cabinet you're connected to? I already get ~70Mbps, so I don't really see the need to fiddle right now.
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I used this site mate. https://www.telecom-tariffs.co.uk/codelook.htm?xid=940503&cabinets=15148
It shows me what make the cabs are but you need to know what number your cab is using BT's DSL checker.

Pop your phone number in and then press the "Lookup Number" and it should then show your exchange under "locality or use". Click on your exchange and the next page it should show some info about your exchange. You should see here All xxx Fibre Cabinets as a blue hyperlink. Click on it then look for your cab and it will tell you your cab make.
 
bledd said:
How do you find out what type of cabinet you're connected to? I already get ~70Mbps, so I don't really see the need to fiddle right now.
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If you have a Vigor 130 then vdsl stat will tell you. Google the vendor.

DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR : < IFTN > is ECI.
 
Welp it seems either DLM or plusnet have bumped the SNR their end as i can't go below 9SNR with the vdsl snr -50 command now. And my ping is 26ms now minimum up from 22 on the ookla speed test and thinkbroadband speed test. My ping is also at 22/23ms on my TS server up from 16/17ms. Speeds are now synced at 59 but can only get 54 max out of my connection, still getting packet loss but no where near as much as previously. Getting kinda fed up of my connection now. Just purely because for just over a month straight since it was activated it was absolutely fine synced at 80/20 with 8ms ping in TS and around 14 on speed tests with no jitter or packet loss then out of absolutely no where this happens. Got the Vigor 130 to play with SNR and now i can't change my SNR at all. Locked at 9SNR can't even increase it. So waste of money. Just going to see what plusnet do with my fault ticket. Been open 4 days now though, opened it tuesday.

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That's when my SNR jumped along with the pings. Might be hard to see but up top you can see the packet loss bumps. In monitoring its about 2% packet loss and you can see the ping spikes. It's annoying because the red bit at the end is where i tried to decrease my SNR back to 6 but nothing then increase to 11 but nothing. The green bit used to be down in the middle or slightly below the middle of 0 - 20 now it's jumped 22-24.

Wish i went with Virgin now.
 
Caged said:
Your sync rate dropped from 80Mbps to 59Mbps in a month?
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yea and now it's even lower. And pings and packet loss is even worse. DLM kicked me upto 13SNR now.

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I have zero idea what's going on with my connection. Ive done everything possible my end. Test socket, replaced everything with new stuff. Connected to test socket with new microfilter, Rjj11 cable, Vigor 130 and router. New ethernet cables.
Crazy how it can drop this much and its dropped this much in a week. About just under 2 weeks ago i was at 80/20 sync and nice pings and zero packet loss.

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This was a quick tracert to bbc.co.uk which normally gives 14-16ms pings.

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.246.79]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.88.1
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.254
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 * * 25 ms 133.hiper04.sheff.dial.plus.net.uk [195.166.143.133]
5 25 ms 26 ms 25 ms be3-3102.pcn-ir02.plus.net [195.166.143.132]
6 * 26 ms * 195.99.125.140
7 27 ms 26 ms 26 ms peer6-hu0-7-0-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [62.172.103.15]
8 32 ms 27 ms * 195.99.126.71
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 33 ms 33 ms 33 ms ae0.er02.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.90]
11 31 ms 30 ms 31 ms 132.185.255.164
12 31 ms 31 ms 31 ms 212.58.246.79

Trace complete.

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For reference this was what my connection was like on wenesday. Couple days before i noticed things starting to go funny.

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I think you should take a step back and not see this as a problem with the DLM or your target SnR settings - it looks like DLM is doing its job to keep your connection stable.

What was your quoted minimum speed when you signed up to Plusnet?
 
Caged said:
I think you should take a step back and not see this as a problem with the DLM or your target SnR settings - it looks like DLM is doing its job to keep your connection stable.

What was your quoted minimum speed when you signed up to Plusnet?
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Its 47.9 on the email but on dsl checker its 45.7 now i think. Still im below this target.
I don't think its dlm anymore but a fault on the line some where. But it was weird how my snr kept dropping with errors and packet loss. Then started kicking up the snr.
 
Need to buy a phone as not currently got one but thought of trying that. and dialing the quiet line number and testing. But Plusnet finally done some tests and came back with zero errors on the line and no noise or phone faults. As you can see from the TB graph though there is clearly errors. And the Vigor 130 told me there was errors. Can't look currently as ive left my Plusnet home hub connected as the sole device.
But thanks chris im guna try that by getting a cheap(ish) corded phone i think.
 
I have one of these hooked up to a CheckPoint unit for ADSL access at a remote site, working a treat.

Going to try another one hooked up to a Sophos XG VM for VDSL access, it will be replacing an ASA and BT supplied modem.
 
So my problem seems to have been resolved. It was a weird one as i had zero noise on the line from silent phone test and multiple line tests. Broadband was passing tests. My only issue appeared to be severe erroring on the line. Been put on a new port on the cab, new phone socket (OR Master socket 5c) and wires were reseated at the top of the pole. There was odd errors on the line since but DLM has kicked in put me on a 9SNR target and the errors seem to have gone down to a point where i get less than 50 errors over the week on my line. DLM took me off interleave and put me back on fast so nice low pings again.

However i still saw some packet loss on the line annoyingly. So been playing and i have discovered it appears some WAN IP addresses i am assigned seem to get packet loss. The WAN IP i had after the engineer visit was fine and no packet loss until DLM kicked in and made its changes and resynced me. I was getting 10% packet loss give or take when it did this.
So i've left my Vigor 130 in sync and just dropped PPoE session till i get a new WAN IP every time and tested. It was strange because not all connections would have packet loss. For example i could play a online game but have zero packet loss but on teamspeak see about 10% packet loss which made me sound robotic at times. So im currently on a WAN IP that's getting zero packet loss from anything i can see. I've informed Plusnet of this but they seem uninterested.

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Anyway this is my connection now. That Red blimp is when i tried to see if i could drop my SNR but at -50, 9SNR is all i can get. Not bad because i'm in sync at 74Mbit/s anyway.
So i'm happy for the time being. I just don't understand how i can get packet loss on some WAN IP's on totally the same settings.

So this was my connection stats after 2-3 days after the engineer visit.

---------------------- ATU-R Info (hw: annex A, f/w: annex A/B/C) -----------
Running Mode: 17A State : SHOWTIME
DS Actual Rate: 73999000 bps US Actual Rate : 19999000 bps
DS Attainable Rate: 84041300 bps US Attainable Rate : 21781000 bps
DS Path Mode: Fast US Path Mode : Fast
DS Interleave Depth: 1 US Interleave Depth : 1
NE Current Attenuation: 18 dB Cur SNR Margin : 9 dB
DS actual PSD: 7. 7 dB US actual PSD : 12. 9 dB
NE CRC Count: 2 FE CRC Count : 17098
NE ES Count: 2 FE ES Count : 12631
Xdsl Reset Times: 0 Xdsl Link Times : 3
ITU Version[0]: b5004946 ITU Version[1] : 544e0000
VDSL Firmware Version : 05-07-06-0D-01-07 [with Vectoring support]
Power Management Mode : DSL_G997_PMS_L0
Test Mode : DISABLE
-------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------
Far Current Attenuation : 23 dB Far SNR Margin : 7 dB
CO ITU Version[0] : b5004244 CO ITU Version[1] : 434da48c
DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR : < BDCM >



And the WAN IPs i tested:

80.189.69.99 - around 10% packet loss
143.159.102.151 - around 1-2% packet loss
143.159.102.227 - around 3-4% packet loss
83.216.154.59 - No packet loss
80.189.69.115 - No packet loss yet.

So it's strange how i experienced different levels of packet loss then no packet loss on different WAN IPs. But that's what i got atm from recording the IPs. Had more than this but did not record them.
 
Hi all,

Got my Vigor 130 a few days ago. I'm on Sky Fibre, currently synced around 30/6, on an ECI cab. Max attainable says 38/6. I applied the SNR tweak about 2 days ago, nothing has changed as of yet. Is it likely to change if I keep waiting or is DLM stopping this change?
 
Did the SNR tweak on my 130. The attainable rate has shot up but the actual rate has stayed the same. Bang on 60/20. Wondering if this is capped by PlusNet?

Before:
> vdsl st
---------------------- ATU-R Info (hw: annex A, f/w: annex A/B/C) -----------
Running Mode : 17A State : SHOWTIME
DS Actual Rate : 60000000 bps US Actual Rate : 20000000 bps
DS Attainable Rate : 71456200 bps US Attainable Rate : 23065410 bps
DS Path Mode : Interleave US Path Mode : Fast
DS Interleave Depth : 1179 US Interleave Depth : 1
NE Current Attenuation : 11 dB Cur SNR Margin : 5 dB
DS actual PSD : -1.-1 dB US actual PSD : 0.-9 dB
NE CRC Count : 460 FE CRC Count : 150687
NE ES Count : 31 FE ES Count : 128794
Xdsl Reset Times : 0 Xdsl Link Times : 1
ITU Version[0] : b5004946 ITU Version[1] : 544e0000
VDSL Firmware Version : 05-07-06-0D-01-07 [with Vectoring support]
Power Management Mode : DSL_G997_PMS_L0
Test Mode : DISABLE
-------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------
Far Current Attenuation : 9 dB Far SNR Margin : 7 dB
CO ITU Version[0] : b5004946 CO ITU Version[1] : 544eb206
DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR : < IFTN >

After:
> vdsl st
---------------------- ATU-R Info (hw: annex A, f/w: annex A/B/C) -----------
Running Mode : 17A State : SHOWTIME
DS Actual Rate : 60000000 bps US Actual Rate : 20000000 bps
DS Attainable Rate : 90522376 bps US Attainable Rate : 21856769 bps
DS Path Mode : Interleave US Path Mode : Fast
DS Interleave Depth : 1136 US Interleave Depth : 1
NE Current Attenuation : 11 dB Cur SNR Margin : 5 dB
DS actual PSD : -2.-2 dB US actual PSD : -2.-1 dB
NE CRC Count : 0 FE CRC Count : 150688
NE ES Count : 0 FE ES Count : 128795
Xdsl Reset Times : 0 Xdsl Link Times : 2
ITU Version[0] : b5004946 ITU Version[1] : 544e0000
VDSL Firmware Version : 05-07-06-0D-01-07 [with Vectoring support]
Power Management Mode : DSL_G997_PMS_L0
Test Mode : DISABLE
-------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------
Far Current Attenuation : 10 dB Far SNR Margin : 6 dB
CO ITU Version[0] : b5004946 CO ITU Version[1] : 544eb206
DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR : < IFTN >
 
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