Didn't they have comms implanted directly behind their ears? And the comms on the Ornithopters seemed to be basically radios.
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Didn't they have comms implanted directly behind their ears? And the comms on the Ornithopters seemed to be basically radios.
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And the "personal" video book viewer/hologram things.
A proper computer would be out due to the ban on thinking machines, but as you say they certainly had comm implant/buttons behind their ears and radios.
There is some theory doing the rounds that the wife has been changed into the spider creature that gets told to leave the room. Makes sense as it has human hands at the end of the legs.
Great write up here about how Yuehs conditioning is actually broken, the short version isn't that it's about seeing his wife again, it's that he desires revenge so intensely on the Baron, he'll do whatever it takes to kill him, including bringing down house Atreides.
Obviously just one person's opinion but makes a lot of sense.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/qpchhb/misunderstandings_about_yuehs_imperial/
Obviously just one person's opinion but makes a lot of sense.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/qpchhb/misunderstandings_about_yuehs_imperial/
This explains why you don't ever see anyone playing FIFA 10191 in Dune.
Owww that's yucky!! Imagine that, imagine if she could still think like she used to. Horrific
I bet the players still wouldn't pass the ball to the player you wanted it to go too as well. Most infuriating game to ever exist
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It was pretty good 7/10 but no higher.
It was beautiful and the pace wasn't bad and the plot was fairly faithful. But there is no emotional impact of the film. I liked it but I wasn't moved by the film. No peril, no thrill, no elation. Also given how long it was there is a lot unsaid. Paul's sense of otherness is lost without internal monologue. The fact he is a manufactured person is kind of lost. Lynch makes Gurney, Yueh and Thuffir more real and that they are training Paul for a higher purpose ismore obvious. This is lost under Villeneuve. Most of the secondary characters are little thin. Finally the Arrakis portion feels like only a week has gone by from handover to invasion. There is no sense of time passing on Arrakis which kind of undercuts the foreboding a few scenes about Leo's remoteness and Paul having to fulfil governance tasks might have added to the sense they are there for longer living before the fall.
That might seem like a lot of negatives but they're more missteps than big problems for me. It was good but it wasn't close to great.
It was beautiful and the pace wasn't bad and the plot was fairly faithful. But there is no emotional impact of the film. I liked it but I wasn't moved by the film. No peril, no thrill, no elation. Also given how long it was there is a lot unsaid. Paul's sense of otherness is lost without internal monologue. The fact he is a manufactured person is kind of lost. Lynch makes Gurney, Yueh and Thuffir more real and that they are training Paul for a higher purpose ismore obvious. This is lost under Villeneuve. Most of the secondary characters are little thin. Finally the Arrakis portion feels like only a week has gone by from handover to invasion. There is no sense of time passing on Arrakis which kind of undercuts the foreboding a few scenes about Leo's remoteness and Paul having to fulfil governance tasks might have added to the sense they are there for longer living before the fall.
That might seem like a lot of negatives but they're more missteps than big problems for me. It was good but it wasn't close to great.
What do you rate Lynch's version? Worth watching for someone who only watched the new one and never read the books?
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Lynchs version is very different, it departs from the books more and it is undoubtedly flawed. The problem is I saw it in the 80s and liked and appreciated it then. It has aged and modern sensibilities may not do it justice.
Personally having seen Villeneuves it’s probably marginally the better but utterly different. Lynchs film brings the characters on faster and the secondary characters seem deeper despite less run time. There is a grand degenerate pomp to the universe in Lynch’s film that is lacking in the new one. There are elements of each I’d keep from both.
I think the 80s Dune is well worth a watch.
Personally having seen Villeneuves it’s probably marginally the better but utterly different. Lynchs film brings the characters on faster and the secondary characters seem deeper despite less run time. There is a grand degenerate pomp to the universe in Lynch’s film that is lacking in the new one. There are elements of each I’d keep from both.
I think the 80s Dune is well worth a watch.
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It’s a silly theory. The Baron is always good to his word - at least from his point of view - and when he tells Yueh he can join his wife again he’s not lying.
In the book Yueh knows his wife had likely been dead for a long time and he’s being given false hope in order to carry out the betrayal, but he needs to look into the Baron’s eyes on Arrakis to know for certain to finally let go (which he does the moment they meet). His betrayal was ultimately about creating the opportunity to get revenge rather than truly believing he’d see her again.
In universe, the only people that could manufacture a creature like that are the Tleilaxu; they’re the only ones who have the knowledge and… ‘facilities’ to grow chimera creatures like that (which they do already with sligs and chairdogs which they sell across the galaxy for food and comfort, respectively). The Tleilaxu take cells/DNA and use them to grow new (or cloned) things that have no right to exist normally, so whatever human DNA is in that thing came from a donor - dead or living - rather than once being something else.
There are various novel, cruel methods of torture in Dune, but there’s no brain transplants or human centipede stuff. The weirdest human alternations are navigator mutations after years in spice gas, but even then the Lynch film and mini-series made them dramatically more mutated than they are in the books.
I took the whole thing as just a subtle wink to book fans that though the Bene Tleilaxu themselves don’t appear until Dune Messiah their products, much like the Ixians and their machines, are still being used by the Great Houses.
So did Paul lose hope of the golden path when his wife died. Him not carrying it out does it mean leto 2 is more gifted/powerful?
Why did it take thousands of years for humanity to be saved?
Why did some fremen betray Paul?
Does the Baron know Jessica is his daughter?
Why did it take thousands of years for humanity to be saved?
Why did some fremen betray Paul?
Does the Baron know Jessica is his daughter?
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I read a few things differently.
Paul IMO couldn’t bear the burden of the Golden path, 3500 years of stagnation..
Leto 2 doesn’t aid the diaspora so much as bottle up humanity in such chains that when it breaks free it will never be chained again. He creates the outward urge with his overbearing empire.
But otherwise agree with Steampunk.
Paul IMO couldn’t bear the burden of the Golden path, 3500 years of stagnation..
Leto 2 doesn’t aid the diaspora so much as bottle up humanity in such chains that when it breaks free it will never be chained again. He creates the outward urge with his overbearing empire.
But otherwise agree with Steampunk.
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Yes, I'd agree with that. Leto II knows what he's doing, setting himself up as a God Tyrant so that humanity has no choice but to escape from his overbearing (and seemingly unending) rule. He wants humanity to escape from his prescience and the iron fist with which he rules the empire. He forces humanity into that future where they eventually become immune to superbeings just like him and escape (some to eventually return) from his empire.
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”All rebels are closet aristocrats, that’s why I can convert them so easily.”
Leto II was a god in more than name and willingly gave up his humanity (something Paul could not do) to be able to facilitate the Golden Path to ensure humanity escaped stagnation and eventual extinction. It necessitated a being like himself who had absolute power over all humans, prescient vision of all possible futures and access to the memories/ego personalities of men and women across all of human history, coupled with the immortality oversee it over millennia. Nobody could challenge him because he knew everything that was and would be. His reign ended by choice only when he knew humanity’s survival was ensured… at least until Brian retconned the whole thing.
Feyd - it’s pretty clearly laid out in the conversation they have. Feyd doesn’t believe the Baron means to let him be heir and that he’s an old fool. The Baron thinks Feyd has potential to take over “and I don’t waste potential” and he will step aside for him one day, but he’s not intelligent or cunning enough yet - as evidenced in his failed attempt - and lacks respect where it should be warranted. Thus if he agrees to shut up, learn and not try and kill him again he’ll get what he wants, but if he does try again he’ll be the one doing the killing.
Leto II was a god in more than name and willingly gave up his humanity (something Paul could not do) to be able to facilitate the Golden Path to ensure humanity escaped stagnation and eventual extinction. It necessitated a being like himself who had absolute power over all humans, prescient vision of all possible futures and access to the memories/ego personalities of men and women across all of human history, coupled with the immortality oversee it over millennia. Nobody could challenge him because he knew everything that was and would be. His reign ended by choice only when he knew humanity’s survival was ensured… at least until Brian retconned the whole thing.
Feyd - it’s pretty clearly laid out in the conversation they have. Feyd doesn’t believe the Baron means to let him be heir and that he’s an old fool. The Baron thinks Feyd has potential to take over “and I don’t waste potential” and he will step aside for him one day, but he’s not intelligent or cunning enough yet - as evidenced in his failed attempt - and lacks respect where it should be warranted. Thus if he agrees to shut up, learn and not try and kill him again he’ll get what he wants, but if he does try again he’ll be the one doing the killing.