DX12 CPU Performance Leaked, Way Faster Than DX11 – Threading Model Resembles AMD’s Mantle

[Noctifer]

The only games that have mantle so far are the ones that AMD have given millions of dollars to. Of the few games that have released usage stats, AMD mantle-capable GPU's make up less than 20% of the user base (even where AMD are giving away free copies of the game), it simply doesnt make any financial sense to support mantle when it isnt being bankrolled by AMD

Maybe you right. We will see in a few years.

 

[Stanners]

12 posts of Pro AMD.

Hmm

It could be the gaming scientist

 

[Rroff]

Maybe you right. We will see in a few years.

Problem is AMD haven't got the grassroots movement going, no samples or beta sdk for enthusiasts to familiarize with, give feedback, etc. til that happens uptake won't be anything significant.

 

[flopper]

Problem is AMD haven't got the grassroots movement going, no samples or beta sdk for enthusiasts to familiarize with, give feedback, etc. til that happens uptake won't be anything significant.

you guys do understand the developers asked for this?

 

[BRIGGBOY81]

I would not get involved in this one, it will be very hard work.

Lol +1.

No but seriously, even if it was a copy (which I personally think it isn't) it wouldn't be the first thing to be ever copied in the world.

 

[~>Dg<~]

just needs lambchop now

 

[ubersonic]

you guys do understand the developers asked for this?

Some developers did, others however have no desire to return to the days of having to code for D3D & OGL & MeTaL & Glide & PowerGL & etc.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Devs know their games will sell on DX regardless, there is little incentive other than the money AMD give them to code for Mantle as well. As Andy said above less than 20% of AMD user base has a mantle capable GPU, then if you take into account how many of those are using it alongside a new Intel CPU the amount who really benefit from it is even lower or even the amount of those users who play games with Mantle.

 

[Orangey]

Where's the proof that AMD are paying people to use Mantle?

 

[Noctifer]

Where's the proof that AMD are paying people to use Mantle?

Far as I know there isn't any. There were rumors about AMD paying EA/DICE, but that could have been BF4 game keys related and not Mantle.

 

[Tonester0011]

Where's the proof that AMD are paying people to use Mantle?

Here, repeat what shank has said.

My advice to you honestly go and read up about it. All the information is out there very detailed information, information I doubt even you would understand.


Google it and prove me wrong.

 

[Nutella33]

Here, repeat what shank has said.

just done that. only seems to be mentioned in comment areas. theres the money AMD paid to be main dev and have exclusivity deals with DICE on BF4 but thats it. Mantle at the moment is working on a sign up BETA type scenario for Devs so if anything anyone signing up is putting their money behind AMD not the other way around.

then if you take into account how many of those are using it alongside a new Intel CPU the amount who really benefit from it is even lower

you still get gains on top end intel CPU's its just smaller than the headline figure. just as you will get gains using Dx12 with high end intels.

As Andy said above less than 20% of AMD user base has a mantle capable GPU

thats fine, its not even out of BETA yet. as time progresses more people will get mantle capable GPU's. you think all GPU's out now are going to be Dx12 capable?

 

[Noctifer]

you think all GPU's out now are going to be Dx12 capable?

Not all GPUs have support for DirectX 12, but a lot more do than Mantle. Mantle right not is only GCN while DirectX 12 is GCN, Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell and whatever the name of the newest Intel graphics architecture is.

Once DirectX 12 is out it will work on a larger part of the market.

 

[Orangey]

Here, repeat what shank has said.

I have done many times and was never able to find any proof, hence my comment.

 

[Nutella33]

Not all GPUs have support for DirectX 12, but a lot more do than Mantle. Mantle right not is only GCN while DirectX 12 is GCN, Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell and whatever the name of the newest Intel graphics architecture is.

Once DirectX 12 is out it will work on a larger part of the market.

right. but I was kinda making the point that the share is only going to grow on development and release. To say its only 20% at the mo is irrelevant. its a new tech.
A Comparison would be Gsync. how many monitors in the market is it supported by? does the low percentage at the moment mean its worthless?

 

[Tonester0011]

right. but I was kinda making the point that the share is only going to grow on development and release. To say its only 20% at the mo is irrelevant. its a new tech.
A Comparison would be Gsync. how many monitors in the market is it supported by? does the low percentage at the moment mean its worthless?

Difference is AMD only have 30% of the market. 20% of AMD users have GCN. So unless my maths fail me only 6% of all users can benefit from Mantle.


Not a clue about Gsync
I'm sure someone has a good idea on how many nvidia cards can utilise Gsync

 

[Ayahuasca]

GSYNC also benefits most if not all games

 

[Martini1991]

right. but I was kinda making the point that the share is only going to grow on development and release. To say its only 20% at the mo is irrelevant. its a new tech.
A Comparison would be Gsync. how many monitors in the market is it supported by? does the low percentage at the moment mean its worthless?

Gsync isn't in anyway comparable, so it's a rather pointless suggestion.

 

[Rangerjr1]

Am i the only one getting sick of the same rehashed Mantle threads over and over and over and over? lol

 

[Tonester0011]

GSYNC also benefits most if not all games

Yeah, forgot about that.
Gsync is most if not all games, mantle is 3 or 4.

Not really a comparison worth mentioning.