eBay - RX6800 eBay Sale Going Wrong

[watercooledman]

At the height of this madness I listed a pair of R9 390 8GB's and they both sold for around £200, and I used the money to buy an RX6700XT.

I didn't expect them to sell for anything like that much, but if people want to bid them up to those dizzying heights, who am I to refuse their cash?

Prior to the panic they were probably worth £40 each.

40 each yeh were worth more than that pal

 

[LuckyBenski]

390 8GBs were still catching 100 or so before the madness. 290s were starting to drift down like GTX 970s finally were. I know a lot of people stuck on GTX 970s right now.

 

[Quartz]

I've never heard of a retailer keeping records of serial numbers to customers

I asked OCUK if they could do this; they said no.

 

[Akagi]

390 8GBs were still catching 100 or so before the madness. 290s were starting to drift down like GTX 970s finally were. I know a lot of people stuck on GTX 970s right now.

Sure they used to go for at most £70 - £80, possibly £100 on eBay.

£40 was a brain fart they were more than that yes! My bad.

 

[chrcoluk]

This is why I used MM to sell my 1080ti.

 

[Cadder]

This is why I used MM to sell my 1080ti.

Unfortunately a lot of members don't have access to that.

 

[norm]

I sold a HDMI capture card on the bay back in 2011, person in Ireland bought it buy-it-now, within a week of receiving it claimed it was faulty. On further research of this person, they owned some kind of camera shop. I suspect they just used it for a one off project and now wanted to return it. I got it back and it was all working luckily but massive hassle plus loss of PNP costs. Moral of the story eBay is a scammers paradise.

 

[dvinell]

This is why I used MM to sell my 1080ti.

I would too if I had access to that.

 

[DeliciousStorage]

They might not help with Ebay, but they do help when you start court proceedings against the buyer

Wrong, won't help one bit, as I said before proving you sent the correct item through the post isn't proof that the correct item was delivered to the buyer. It's the seller's responsibility to deliver the item to the buyer, not just hand it over to a delivery company. Should all the people that ordered PS5's and received empty boxes not get a refund because the retailer can prove they handed over the correct item to the delivery company? Do you think retailers will be taking the buyer to court if they say they received an empty box? Nope, it's the seller's responsibility and simply a risk you have to take.

Some people now use UV pens, if you sign the cooler with your signature and take photo proof of this including a photo of the serial etc then if you get a card back with no UV pen mark on it then you know its the wrong card sent back. Its not just proving to Ebay that you sent the working right card its the proof the seller needs to know that the card they got back is the card they sent. Taking it to the extreme they could then take this proof to a small claims court or whatever. Some people never dream that the item they send is not the item they get back. A lot of people using Ebay are dont realise how many scammers there are on it they might have had 1000 successful transactions. It can lull you into a false sense of security until you hit that bull Ebay Customer Service.

Its okay saying you cant prove it and you are wrong but it matters who you want to prove it too so in a way they are not wrong.

I understand what you are saying fortunately I've never been in the situation where an item that came back was not the same one I sent but I have come across Ebays bias to buyers many times. In any case they have shot themselves in the foot with the new managed payments anyway which will probably see a dip in genuine people selling and more scammers moving in.

How on earth is claiming that you used a UV pen going to be sufficient proof in a small claims court? A card already has a serial number which would be far superior evidence anyway, but that doesn't matter since you can't prove that the correct item was delivered to the buyer.

 

[Haggisman]

Wrong, won't help one bit, as I said before proving you sent the correct item through the post isn't proof that the correct item was delivered to the buyer. It's the seller's responsibility to deliver the item to the buyer, not just hand it over to a delivery company. Should all the people that ordered PS5's and received empty boxes not get a refund because the retailer can prove they handed over the correct item to the delivery company? Do you think retailers will be taking the buyer to court if they say they received an empty box? Nope, it's the seller's responsibility and simply a risk you have to take.

So you're saying I could order one of these, claim I received an empty box, and Overclockers would just refund me because they can't prove that I didn't?

Brb, grabbing my credit card

Surely going by that logic, the delivery company should then compensate the seller in 100% of cases* because they also can't prove that they delivered the correct item?

Meanwhile, in the real world, it doesn't work like that.

Small claims is not like criminal proceedings - it works on balance of probability, so if you can provide more evidence to back up your side of events than the buyer can provide to back up theirs, it's likely you're going to win.



* assuming correct insurance was used when sending

 

[Trig]

I'd prefer to use MM for normal items, as I have in the past, but the rule about not selling things for more than you paid means you cant take advantage of crazy prices so CEX is a good option, then just sell the vouchers on here for closer to the cash value..

 

[Shawreyboy]

<SNIP>

Just to add some balance to this, such goods would require the signature of the receiver, and also, you should unpackage the goods before signing as signing the box means you take responsibility for the goods (it should always state you should check the goods before signing in the T&C).

Yes, in reality, no one does this as the driver just wants to drop, sign and go but if I was buying an Orion I'd expect 8Pack himself to be at my house unpacking it .

 

[DeliciousStorage]

So you're saying I could order one of these, claim I received an empty box, and Overclockers would just refund me because they can't prove that I didn't?

Brb, grabbing my credit card

Surely going by that logic, the delivery company should then compensate the seller in 100% of cases* because they also can't prove that they delivered the correct item?

Meanwhile, in the real world, it doesn't work like that.

Small claims is not like criminal proceedings - it works on balance of probability, so if you can provide more evidence to back up your side of events than the buyer can provide to back up theirs, it's likely you're going to win.



* assuming correct insurance was used when sending

For an item that price they aren't going to use a regular uninsured delivery now are they? If you bought an expensive item sent by courier then they might take a bit of time to investigate it, but eventually yes they would have to refund you. Do it frequently then it would become a pattern, at which point you'd likely get caught out and go to prison for fraud.

 

[Haggisman]

For an item that price they aren't going to use a regular uninsured delivery now are they? If you bought an expensive item sent by courier then they might take a bit of time to investigate it, but eventually yes they would have to refund you. Do it frequently then it would become a pattern, at which point you'd likely get caught out and go to prison for fraud.

Fair enough, I find it hard to believe it's that easy, but you seem to have more knowledge on it than me so I'm not going to claim to know better. I do still think it would be worth the £70 or so to start small claims proceedings over something as valuable as a £1k GPU.

 

[varkanoid]

How on earth is claiming that you used a UV pen going to be sufficient proof in a small claims court? A card already has a serial number which would be far superior evidence anyway, but that doesn't matter since you can't prove that the correct item was delivered to the buyer.

I think you are going a bit over the top with your reasoning/ranting - all companies send items via the post in your reasoning they all cant prove that what they sent was what the buyer received.

Are you looking for someone to say "yes you are right" then you will calm down ? Or do you want to call everyone a liar because they cant prove what they sent is what was received ?

Quote taken from Devon and Cornwall Police website - Police recommend using UV pens

Ultra-violet marking pens – invisible and semi permanent
An ultra-violet (UV) pen puts an invisible mark on your property, which can only be seen under UV light.
UV marking is one of the most popular methods of marking property, as it is an inexpensive way of marking property, which doesn’t reduce the value.
UV ink can fade over a period of 12 months if exposed to strong sunlight or heat. Marking should be reapplied on a regular basis.
Mark it, protect it, don’t regret it

 

[andybird123]

I think you are going a bit over the top with your reasoning/ranting - all companies send items via the post in your reasoning they all cant prove that what they sent was what the buyer received.

Are you looking for someone to say "yes you are right" then you will calm down ? Or do you want to call everyone a liar because they cant prove what they sent is what was received ?

Quote taken from Devon and Cornwall Police website - Police recommend using UV pens

I think his point is that just because you took a photo of A graphics cards and then sent A box to someone, doesn't prove that A graphics card was in A box

 

[DeliciousStorage]

I think you are going a bit over the top with your reasoning/ranting - all companies send items via the post in your reasoning they all cant prove that what they sent was what the buyer received.

How is stating facts going over the top or ranting? Yes this is absolutely correct, if they use regular delivery then they all can't prove that the correct item was delivered to the buyer. They heavily rely on the buyer being honest. A small amount of fraud is expected and factored into profit margins.

Are you looking for someone to say "yes you are right" then you will calm down ? Or do you want to call everyone a liar because they cant prove what they sent is what was received ?

If I see something that is glaringly false should I not comment on it because people might have their feelings hurt when they are wrong?

 

[Haze]

Some people now use UV pens, if you sign the cooler with your signature and take photo proof of this including a photo of the serial etc then if you get a card back with no UV pen mark on it then you know its the wrong card sent back. Its not just proving to Ebay that you sent the working right card its the proof the seller needs to know that the card they got back is the card they sent. Taking it to the extreme they could then take this proof to a small claims court or whatever. Some people never dream that the item they send is not the item they get back. A lot of people using Ebay are dont realise how many scammers there are on it they might have had 1000 successful transactions. It can lull you into a false sense of security until you hit that bull Ebay Customer Service.

Its okay saying you cant prove it and you are wrong but it matters who you want to prove it too so in a way they are not wrong.

I understand what you are saying fortunately I've never been in the situation where an item that came back was not the same one I sent but I have come across Ebays bias to buyers many times. In any case they have shot themselves in the foot with the new managed payments anyway which will probably see a dip in genuine people selling and more scammers moving in.

You are still not understanding how Ebay work at all are you....

AS A SELLER YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS, USING A UV PEN WONT PROVE THAT YOU PUT THAT CARD INTO THE BOX THAT YOU SENT THE BUYER

 

[varkanoid]

You are still not understanding how Ebay work at all are you....

AS A SELLER YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS, USING A UV PEN WONT PROVE THAT YOU PUT THAT CARD INTO THE BOX THAT YOU SENT THE BUYER

I understand full well how Ebay works I`m a long standing seller. Its not quite as black and white as you make it out to be.
it does prove it to the seller if you receive a card back that is different with no UV pen markings on it then it proves the card sent back is not the card you sent.

What you do with that information is then the problem. Contrary to what you think Ebay does not ALWAYS side with the buyer. This is from experience.

Here is an example. I sold an item on Ebay. The buyer put in a claim as they said they had received an open jiffy bag. I saw a photo it was open and slightly ripped. They were saying I had not sent the item. I had a tracking ref, which showed the item was took at a PO and weighed 1.53kg. After presenting this to Ebay the case dragged on as it did. Then Ebay found in favour of the buyer, refunded his money but not out of my account out of their Seller Protection policy. They said that as I had proof I sent the item in this instance they would not find me at fault.

 

[Akagi]

Film yourself, with no cuts and without letting the GPU or the box or the courier leave the frame of the video, keeping them completely within frame at all times.

Film yourself looking at the serial, writing on it with the pen, packing it, passing it to the courier, the courier putting it in their van, and driving off. Follow them on their route for a few miles in your car for good measure