EBD ban.

sunama said:
Could this be a case of, "RBR are suspiciously quick in qualifying...Vettel is getting too many poles...it's effecting viewership....we need to stop him"?
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Doubtful, since it isn't affecting viewership (no matter what the Murdoch press would have you think). It's more case of them trying to get back to where they thought they were with the technical regs when they standardised the ECUs.
 
Could someone clarify for me as i'm not sure. Does an engine map include things like max rpm, fuel flow rate etc or is it only talking about the other stuff? IE, I thought all teams would crank the engine to 11 for their final quali but maybe drop it down on a few settings for long term reliability. Occasionally then setting it to max settings again in the race if they needed to pass someone.

I don't think Vettel getting too many poles affects viewership, though might affect Quali. As we have seen from the last few races RB aren't pulling away with it in the actual race. As a result race viewership has remained very strong becuase its been interesting. Had Vettel got pole and stormed off and won every race by a country mile it may be different.

Going from what you were saying earlier about the FIA being suite smart with the choice they make to keep it interesting, looking at the last 3 races they should do absolutely nothing.
 
If they FIA sit back and do nothing, deciding the title race on the last race of the season (which is the ultimate aim), may not happen.

Yes, RBR have not been the fastest on race pace in the last 2 races, however, Vettel has still managed to open up an ever increasing gap over the 2nd placed man, in those 2 races.

The problem is that Button/Hamilton/Alonso are going to be taking points off each other. What we need is 1 or 2 DNFs for Vettel to make the title race nice and tight. The guy is in fantastic form right now, which isn't helping.
 
rypt said:
Why can't the FIA just allow a free-for-all and stop banning things :(
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Because the teams would design cars that go crazy fast and one small mistake or failure could end up in deaths which might shockingly be bad for the sport?

I'd love to see less restriction but there is always going to be SOME restriction if only for that reason.
 
Todge said:
Because the teams would design cars that go crazy fast and one small mistake or failure could end up in deaths which might shockingly be bad for the sport?

I'd love to see less restriction but there is always going to be SOME restriction if only for that reason.
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You can restrict things without being specific over it.

For instance, you can create a maximum G force that can be experiences in the event of an accident, or the maximum deformation allowed to the safety cell .... and then leave it up to the teams to see how they best meet those rules.

Some may limit top speed, others may choose to run huge crash structures.


Instead of regulating specific areas of the car, you create a set of rules that have to be met and then let the designers decide how to best do it
 
If you did that, within a year, you would have some whacky races-type crazy contraptions circulating on the tracks. Some may have 6 wheels. Some may have 2 engines. Some may have wheels positioned in strange places. Some cars may create a giant wing.

The possibilities are endless and the top speeds experienced could be dangerous...oh and I can't see how you can limit top speed...if a car is accelerating and the driver has the pedal to the metal and he breaches the speed limit, does he get drive through penalty?

In order to stop the whacky races scenario and for safety reasons, F1 regs are tightly scripted.
 
You regulate top speed by stating that the G force in a crash, or deformation to the safety cell must NEVER exceed a certain value ... this forces teams to limit the top speed of the vehicle via mechanical means


As for whacky races, you have a basic footprint of "car has to fit within a rectangle X by Y and let teams decide what they want to do.


You let engineers design the fastest car within a loose set of rules
 
rypt said:
As for whacky races, you have a basic footprint of "car has to fit within a rectangle X by Y and let teams decide what they want to do.
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In order to avoid the whacky races scenario, you would need to lay down many 100s, if not 1000s of rules. This would basically bring us to the situation we currently have in F1, where most of the cars look similar to one another, but engineers/designers are able to eek some performance gains by being creative.

If you check the gap between the fastest car on the track and the slowest, you will see that there is a significant gap and shows that if they are clever designers can create a car which is faster than the competition by considerable margin.

Right now, RBR have the best design team in F1 (based on 2009, 2010 and 2011) and you are seeing what can be achieved, within the current set of rules, if you have a good design team.

If you were to go the route of whacky races, whose to say that you wouldn't have 1 car going 10s/lap faster than everybody else? Would you want to see races where the fastest team is going 10s/lap faster than the next fastest car?
 
If someone is going 10s faster than the rest then it just shows that the rest have not thought of the clever idea

Besides, with more areas open for freedom the chances of the above occurring are slim because someone else will find some other area that gives them a large gain, and a 3rd team some other area

Stop changing the rules year on year too, so that cars evolve
 
Mr.Fantastic said:
Like this little plan



http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92494

Expect this to reverse by the end of the day.
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So basically they don't think off throttle use of blown diffusers banning (phew there you go JRS :)) is going to affect Red Bull enough so now it's engine maps as well.

By Hungary I expect they will ban any driver with a surname starting with V.

Pathetic attempts to stop a hungary championship win happening.

None of this is new to them, they have known it's happening but can't wait until the end of the season or nail it down at the start of the season.
 
If someone is going 10s/lap faster, they will steal a lead over the rest and within a few races (until the other cars have caught up), they will kill the championship race.

The FIA has to ensure that viewing audiences are kept high. This means that they want to create an entertaining race that casual, as well as hardcore viewers will be interested in watching.

If a team wins the title by race 12, the remaining races, may take a hammering in terms of audience figures.

The FIA has a history of trying to prevent 1 team dominating. They tried to stop MSc/Bennetton and then Ferrari/MSc from dominating by changing the rules.

They also brought in DRS and made to order Pirelli tyres, to provide a better spectacle.

The last thing they will want to encourage is a team creating a car which can go 10s/lap faster than the competition.

They need to keep revising the rules, in order to keep corning speeds down. If memory serves me correct, this attention to safety all kicked of when Senna and Ratzenburger died in a single race weekend. From that point onwards, on the grounds of safety, the FIA have been doing pretty much whatever they liked.
 
dannyjo22 said:
None of this is new to them, they have known it's happening but can't wait until the end of the season or nail it down at the start of the season.
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Precisely. And had Vettel not had a such a lead in the WDC, my guess would be that they probably would not have changed the rules to cripple the RBR car.

Last year, though the RBR car was fast, no driver was dominating the title race, hence, the FIA didnt feel it necessary to bring out the ban hammer. However, this year, due to Vettel's dominance, they appear to be hitting RBR right where it hurts.

What would be amusing is that if at Silverstone, RBR dominate. If this happens, what will the FIA's next move be. Surely, after 12 months, they wouldn't attempt the flexi wing (after previously declaring it legal)...surely not?
 
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