Energy Prices (Strictly NO referrals!)

jpaul · 12 Apr 2023 at 21:37

pastymuncher said:
No idea at all as they haven't even told us that they were increasing the first time (1st April) although I knew they would because of the £67 a month ending. I detest the standing charge as it's the one thing I have no control over. Between the gas and electric that's £30 a month and nothing I do will ever get that lower. I wish I could switch to one of these tracking rates but I guess that's not going to be a option until this mess finally sorts itself out.

tracker doesn't fix the standing charge, and even if the unit gas tracker price is lower, if SC is big part of the bill tracker won't help much,
also, whilst we might use more electricity(oven cooking) if units were cheaper, turning the heating up or having longer showers is puerile, like folks gaming the saving sessions.

I've not understood why there seems to be more variation of SC since April, compared to previous 6 months, both of them a £2.5K epg cap.

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chrcoluk said:
Confirmed i am getting the mini monitoring device

these seem gimped as they don't offer real time upload/integration to home assistant(or smartphone) so that you can record 30s consumption data like bright CAD device.
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bigmike20vt · 12 Apr 2023 at 21:38

robfosters said:
What’s your guys yearly gas only bill?

Ours from April 2022-March 2023 was £1959.

I have been on a 2 year fix which ends November this year.
my total gas for 2022 was £277.76

(5896kwh)

but that means nothing without context.

that is a 1961 3 bed semi with gas heating and shower (combi boiler) but with cavity and good loft insulation

cooking is electric.

SC is prolly on top so add £97 on so

total £374.76

it helps I live in one of the warmest parts of country (near Cambridge).... and I am tight and go jumper before heating and force that on the wife and kid too

robfosters · 12 Apr 2023 at 21:40

bigmike20vt said:
I have been on a 2 year fix which ends November this year.
my total gas for 2022 was £277.76

but that means nothing without context.

that is a 1961 3 bed semi with gas heating and shower (combi boiler) but with cavity and good loft insulation

cooking is electric.

SC is prolly on top so add £97 on so

total £374.76

Same as my house

bigmike20vt · 12 Apr 2023 at 21:43

robfosters said:
Same as my house

Christ. I got really lucky when I fixed my gas ( I had an inkling things would go mad but had no idea Russia would do what they did so was far worse than I thought.

how many kWh did you use (5896 for me)

chrcoluk · 12 Apr 2023 at 21:46

jpaul said:
I've not understood why there seems to be more variation of SC since April, compared to previous 6 months, both of them a £2.5K epg cap.

Basically ofgem increased the allowed SC, this would have pushed "typical use" costs above 2.5k a year, so government increased unit subsidy to compensate.

robfosters · 12 Apr 2023 at 21:55

bigmike20vt said:
Christ. I got really lucky when I fixed my gas ( I had an inkling things would go mad but had no idea Russia would do what they did so was far worse than I thought.

how many kWh did you use (5896 for me)

17,144 kWh

robgmun · 12 Apr 2023 at 22:08

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
What data do you mean? The daily price or what?

erm, yeah, daily price, and historical data. I just want to see how it tracking. So it available to everyone or do you have to be on the tracker to see the data?

Richie · 12 Apr 2023 at 22:14

robfosters said:
What’s your guys yearly gas only bill?

Ours from April 2022-March 2023 was £1959..

£285 annually plus SC of £102.

Modern 3 bed semi with GCH, hob and mains shower.

But I don't sit at 24oC or whatever you set your home to.

jpaul · 12 Apr 2023 at 22:20

chrcoluk said:
Basically ofgem increased the allowed SC, this would have pushed "typical use" costs above 2.5k a year, so government increased unit subsidy to compensate.

yes but why is it seemingly not the same for everyone.

robgmun said:
erm, yeah, daily price,

numerous sites like https://mysmartenergy.uk/Tracker/Southern-England

robfosters · 12 Apr 2023 at 22:20

Richie said:
£285 annually plus SC of £102.

Modern 3 bed semi with GCH, hob and mains shower.

But I don't sit at 24oC or whatever you set your home to.

I know. It such a git that I can’t handle lower temperatures. Gets on my ******* nerves.

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 12 Apr 2023 at 22:20

robgmun said:
erm, yeah, daily price, and historical data. I just want to see how it tracking. So it available to everyone or do you have to be on the tracker to see the data?

Its not that clear even to those on it I think, just the days rate
I kept some days values, start of March

5.78
5.93
5.89
5.67
5.67
5.68
5.5
5.67
5.48
5.62

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 12 Apr 2023 at 22:21

robgmun said:
erm, yeah, daily price, and historical data. I just want to see how it tracking. So it available to everyone or do you have to be on the tracker to see the data?

18-29 March

4.93
4.91
4.91
4.64
4.88
4.75
4.98
5.07
5.07
5.06
5.04
4.93

jpaul · 12 Apr 2023 at 22:30

robgmun said:
erm, yeah, daily price,

or V

jpaul said:
via https://octopus.energy/agile/
looked at Octopus Agile Kwh price, average, over last month for time slots, wouldn't be a pretty bill for me in E of England -
not sure I understand how they can't be making a massive loss on overnight GO 7.5p rate if the Agile rate is nowhere near, as data does not show any renewable energy surplus being sold off at bargain rates (maybe we are shipping it to France, with their downed nukes)

bigmike20vt · 13 Apr 2023 at 11:16

robfosters said:
17,144 kWh

cripes!

Puzzled · 13 Apr 2023 at 11:21

bigmike20vt said:
cripes!

It's high (pretty much bang on for the high figure) but not off the scale.

Average gas and electricity usage

Information on average gas and electricity usage and how it is calculated.

www.ofgem.gov.uk

Think ours is around 13,000 so just over medium

bigmike20vt · 13 Apr 2023 at 11:21

robfosters said:
I know. It such a git that I can’t handle lower temperatures. Gets on my ******* nerves.

it's people like you who should genuinely consider semi retiring to somewhere like Tenerife if at all possible..... reasonably warm all year around.

my next door neighbours used to head over here (I am there now but going home today) early November and then come back to UK start of march. they claimed over all it didn't cost much more than being in the UK (I never fact checked however)

bigmike20vt · 13 Apr 2023 at 11:26

Puzzled said:
It's high (pretty much bang on for the high figure) but not off the scale.

Average gas and electricity usage

Information on average gas and electricity usage and how it is calculated.

www.ofgem.gov.uk

Think ours is around 13,000 so just over medium

I shouldnt be surprised. my nest report alway has us in the bottom 25% of energy users (usually less) but I think for us to use that amount in our 3 bed semi (it is insured as a 4 bed due to extension which replaced garage but that is not on the gas central heating it's electric) but to use over 10000kwh we would be melting. if our shower wasn't gas heated we would use even less.

200sols · 13 Apr 2023 at 12:07

Richie said:
£285 annually plus SC of £102.

Modern 3 bed semi with GCH, hob and mains shower.

But I don't sit at 24oC or whatever you set your home to.

How many units is that though? About 2000kWh a year? Extremely low.

bigmike20vt · 13 Apr 2023 at 12:11

200sols said:
How many units is that though? About 2000kWh a year? Extremely low.

my yearly was similar (2022) and I used just under 6000 kWh. exact numbers in earlier post on last page. but I got a lucky fix

200sols · 13 Apr 2023 at 12:13

bigmike20vt said:
my yearly was similar (2022) and I used just under 6000 kWh. exact numbers in earlier post on last page. but I got a lucky fix

Yeah but that is now £600 on the price cap. So people just quoting monetary values is kind of useless without stating how much they use and if they are on an old fix etc.