Energy Prices (Strictly NO referrals!)
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I'd say if you need to put the heating on at 12c, you are either old, have a medical issue or just a wuss in general
Or just have a low cold tolerance I guess?
Its 8c where I am outside but inside is sitting at 20c which I find too warm. Nothing is on just heat from me I guess.
Although I'm that guy in tshirt and shorts outside when it's freezing with ice/snow while most people are in the thick coats.
Your house is 20c when outdoors is 12c? And no heating? That's insane.
Here it's 14c and house is at about 17-18c and it's had an hour of heating this morning!
Soldato
Modern homes have ridiculous insulation in comparison to older properties.
I can open all my windows and the internal temp drops to around 10°C (matching external). I can then close all the windows, leave the house and the temp will get upto 15-16 with no heating on. Just the residual heat on the fabric of the building and the insulation working.
That's worse then my 1930s semi
Yeah it's dire. Tbh i don't even know where to start with finding out what's the best bang for buck issue to fix!
Doesn't take long to get down to +2c from ambient.
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Meh, the house I'm in was built in the 1800's (Possibly around 1850ish). Costs quite a bit in gas over the winter 
Currently only going through about 45-50kw per day. But expect that to rise considerably during winter. I've seen a max of 185 one day last Jan.
Currently only going through about 45-50kw per day. But expect that to rise considerably during winter. I've seen a max of 185 one day last Jan.
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holy hell! that is the problem in this country, so much of our housing stock is barely fit for purpose these days.... and even if you try to modernise it, you will probably get some local asshats stop you from doing it incase it changes the looks slightly.Meh, the house I'm in was built in the 1800's (Possibly around 1850ish). Costs quite a bit in gas over the winter
Currently only going through about 45-50kw per day. But expect that to rise considerably during winter. I've seen a max of 185 one day last Jan.
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Soldato
That's mental - Daily usage gas here is 11.5kWh (4,200/365)
Just had a look.
For January 2024 used 2000kwh of gas in 27 days.
So that's about 70kwh a day of gas at peak winter.
Looks like tado says that was indeed the peak month.
We only had heating on for 6 months last winter.
Screenshot from tado.
For January 2024 used 2000kwh of gas in 27 days.
So that's about 70kwh a day of gas at peak winter.
Looks like tado says that was indeed the peak month.
We only had heating on for 6 months last winter.
Screenshot from tado.
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I feel like "no heating" needs an asterisk attached half the time, especially when we’re not in the full throes of winter yet. People and what they use electrically all contribute to heating, so one persons “no heating” might actually include a kW or two of heating byproducts from people’s bodies, cooking, electrical appliances, tvs, pcs, consoles, general appliances, lighting etc. Vs a single persons “no heating” at a fraction of that if they lived in identical houses. House position too helps a lot if you can gain a good boost from the sun with all south facing windows. So there can be huge variance even with identical houses, never mind when you factor in houses built across a gap of 250 years
Ha the plasma TV certainly helps!
And in sun my study gets very warm when the sun is out. But that happens so infrequently now.
Our winters are so wet.
This is a small detached so a high surface area to volume ratio vs a terrace which has much less exposed walls.
Its either the spare room or her study.
In hindsight spare room is a waste as no one comes to stay!
As I do all the tech stuff it's Sallys study!
So lonely!
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Your January usage is practically double what mine was. Last January (for the whole month) we used 1100kWh.
Our 12-month rolling usage sits ~ 5800kWh for a 4-bed detached. Very modern new home though, heating hasn't been on since March.
Soldato
There must be so many households that would’ve been better off financially taking out a loan 10 years ago to pay for insulation etc, than continuing to use so much energy to maintain a temperature that newer households can do with no/very little energy at all. It’s bonkers that government has done nothing about it.
The irony is that there have been loads of insulation schemes over the years and the take up has been minimal.
The EPC system was meant to to encourage people to improve their properties but in reality, there is such a shortage, you don’t need to make any improvements to sell. People will buy anything with 4 walls and a roof.
The biggest impact insulation retrofit you can do are DIY - loft insulation is a doddle, anyone who is able bodied has no excuse for not having at least 250mm loft insulation, preferably 300+.
The number of houses which don’t have 250mm loft insulation is staggering still, even now after a massive energy price spike.
Suspended ground floor insulation is a more challenging job than loft and disruptive but it can be done DIY for not an huge amount of money and not that much skill is involved.
Retrofitting cavity wall insulation helps but it’s not risk free, you need to have someone that knows that they are doing. If you don’t have a cavity, your options are internal or external.
Internal is probably the best option for most houses, older properties tend to be big enough to take the 5cm or 7.5cm insulation board around all the external walls without a significant loss of internal space. This can be DIY but the skill level needed is higher than other options as you need to be able to achieve a visible finish.
The EPC system was meant to to encourage people to improve their properties but in reality, there is such a shortage, you don’t need to make any improvements to sell. People will buy anything with 4 walls and a roof.
The biggest impact insulation retrofit you can do are DIY - loft insulation is a doddle, anyone who is able bodied has no excuse for not having at least 250mm loft insulation, preferably 300+.
The number of houses which don’t have 250mm loft insulation is staggering still, even now after a massive energy price spike.
Suspended ground floor insulation is a more challenging job than loft and disruptive but it can be done DIY for not an huge amount of money and not that much skill is involved.
Retrofitting cavity wall insulation helps but it’s not risk free, you need to have someone that knows that they are doing. If you don’t have a cavity, your options are internal or external.
Internal is probably the best option for most houses, older properties tend to be big enough to take the 5cm or 7.5cm insulation board around all the external walls without a significant loss of internal space. This can be DIY but the skill level needed is higher than other options as you need to be able to achieve a visible finish.
Problem is, many people don't plan to stay long enough in their house.
Some things make sense. But big out lays like windows, solar, battery, heat pump... Still seem reserved for long term houses.
And on your first home, who has that cash?
So you get all these first homes that just get left as is.
Without government support I don't see it changing as much of this is more and more expensive as time goes on
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Same as me in a 1930s semi with solid brick wallsJust had a look.
For January 2024 used 2000kwh of gas in 27 days.
So that's about 70kwh a day of gas at peak winter.
Looks like tado says that was indeed the peak month.
We only had heating on for 6 months last winter.
Screenshot from tado.
. You need to fix your house man.