I know a few people with agas/everhots @the shadow and they are far from 'rich' just people in decent jobs. Seems on this forum and in society in general anybody with something nice is considered 'rich' and I can only equate it to petty jealousy.
Energy Prices (Strictly NO referrals!)
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I'm not sure how viable that is though. There has only been one occasion this month so far (one hour on the 9th Sept) where our overall consumption exceeded 1kWh in an hour, thats with running a dishwasher, washing machine or oven at peak periods.
I'm really interested in how they calculated it. Surely you could sign up to tariff, install an EV / battery and then charge it overnight for a massive off-peak spike. Then since the rest of your daily use is "below average" they'd pay you £1-£2 per unit used...
Soldato
Its getting a bit wearing isn't it
The same as the £80k must all be living like kings.
And the definition of comfortable that sounds nothing like it at all to me.
The scheme doesnt exist yet right? They dont know until they launch it.
If its 52p per kWh are they not then paying people to use electric if the unit rate is below that or am I misunderstanding something?
Soldato
Jest@the shadow...... i think that is actually unfair on wealthy people.... in the grand scheme of things our family is very fortunate.. and whilst i have said before i am far from perfect but even so i like to think i do what i can and defintely like to make every kwh work as much as it can for me.
mind you my mrs does tell me i am tight!(I like to think of it more as enjoying getting the most value out of stuff that i can )
Ok the way you described it seems dumb, so someone moving onto it who already has considerable off peak usage from day one wouldnt be deemed as saving energy as that would be their baseline?
They just need to do TOU pricing instead, dont see whats so complicated about it.
Soldato
Well those sorts of issue with it were my point.
Its easy especially in the short term to pump up the units, if it was being used for some kind of benchmark, and of course you knew in advance.
TBH I was jus randomly picking the point to get across one way they could do it. Not that those points were the ones the should use.
Typical household is 2900 kwh a year, so only 8 per day. Peak (say 4-8) is only likely to be maxed at about 3 and more likely more like 2.
Soldato
I was describing what they did as the test. You know they did a test right?
They literally took peoples usage and tried to incentivise them to use less. They were testing, when incentivised did people use less or not bother.
Lets do that again, USE LESS.
So you need to do it at an individuals level on that basis to check that they USED LESS.
But as I said it really only makes sense to go hand in hand with variable pricing. Since we need to spread the grid usage as flat as possible and likely simple time based are going to cause their own peaks eventually. Eg once a lot of the population have EVs on a go type tariff.
Soldato
IMO they have their place, but it's very niche - my father-in-law has a gas powered Aga, but then he has a very large old house with no central heating, it's the only heat source in the house (other than a wood stove in the living room), and is in the kitchen in the basement, which rarely gets warm anyway, other than in the peak of summer.
I certainly wouldn't want one in a modern house as an alternative to proper gas central heating and a decent oven/hob.
Soldato
Wow that gas usage is mentally low. 1kWh of gas. I mean a gas hob used is 0.9kWh alone so that for 20mins is 0.3kWh. A 5min shower is around 1.22kWh (4min shower using about 30ltr water), so those two alone is going to use 1.52kWh in a day. I really can't see it unless you of course as a family of 4 all shower only once evert 2 days all together for that 5mins?
Soldato
75kwh of gas a day on average is what the annual bills says, thats being careful. At one time when it was cheap it was used every hour of the day all winter, no double glazing is not good. How much per set of windows for double or triple nowadays
Decent job, no dependants, does make you rich relatively its personal perspective. Vice versa nice job with family to support is not often making you rich
Man of Honour
Our energy use for August was only 199 kwh for electricity and 22.4kwh for gas, a grand total of £52.94 for the whole month. That's a soon to end fixed deal and we only use gas for hot water and heating which has been off for several months. It has been easy to cut the usage for the pair of us.
Soldato
We don't use any heating here at all and haven't had heating on since last October and yeah 1 5min shower a day is enough to use minimum of 30kWh of gas a month so really boggles mind.
Do only use around 200kWh of electric though. That I understand. Just not sure how to get gas down. The basics of some hob cooking and hot water is 250kWh a month approx
Wow that electric is low do you have solar?
Soldato
If your meter is metric then multiply by 11.1868. It’s roughly 35 if it is imperial. Usually it mentions on the bill the readings and then the amount of gas used.
Not sure why you putting it in caps, I didnt know about the test hence the question.
But the magic question is use less than what?
If they use your initial readings as a baseline then its got more holes than a net.
Just seems an over complex way to do TOU unit rates, we are agreeing with each other I think, 30 min readings, cheaper off peak.
Soldato
I don't know tbh. My Octopus account gives me the kWh figures for the gas so can see day, week, month and year. But my 250kWh is about 16 units all in so about 4 units a week then approx.
So taking that I would guess at around 125kWh then monthly or 4kWh a day.