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Used my dishwasher on hottest wash overnight weds (thurs very early am)
managed to get my highest useage on the 13th to be between 1 and 1:30 am! thats a first

On the hottest wash it seems the dishwasher used about 1.4kwh over my normal baseload between 0:30 and 02:30 so 1.4 x 7.5p = about 10.5 pence :)

I am running the same wash at same time roughly tonight so I can validate the 1.4

Plan to then run a few other washes over nights starting same time to get a good approximation for the usage.
The eco wash takes about 3 hours so be interesting to see what happens with that wash
The hottest is the best wash though and at 10.5 pence I wont be worrying about the cost, more for checking what each program uses really (and so I can convince other half that doing it during the day costing more like 50p should be avoided :)

Next plan to test the washer and drier, obviously can't use both in off peak so need to understand if best to do wash then put in drier for cheap rate, or do wash in cheap rate then drop into drier when we get up. Suspect evening wash then into drier for later drying is likely to be best.
I am assuming both have a delay but haven't actually checked, I don't normally mess about with them!
 
Love EDF, just logged on to the app to see a message saying I should increase my DD by 25%. I'm on a deal until Spring 2024 and they've recently given me several hundred pounds back as a refund.
They can sod off.
 
Ahleckz said:
Are my sums right here…
I’ve used 1.001 units of gas in an hour. That’s 32.1885 kWh.
At 10.28pkwh it’s £3.31 to have my heating on for an hour…

Yikes! Staying off until December!
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The sums should be m3 × Calorific Value × 1.02264 ÷ 3.6 = kWh
Calorific value changes but is usually averaged at 40. On my bill currently its 39.8
So 1.001 x 40 x 1.02264 / 3.6 = 11.4kWh
 
Gammawolf said:
The sums should be m3 × Calorific Value × 1.02264 ÷ 3.6 = kWh
Calorific value changes but is usually averaged at 40. On my bill currently its 39.8
So 1.001 x 40 x 1.02264 / 3.6 = 11.4kWh
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Ahhh, that’s reassuring! Have I maybe worked out imperial rather than metric… (I’m an idiot!)… so 11.4 kWh would cost me £1.16 which feels better…
 
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Ahleckz said:
It’s eight years old, and it won’t have been an expensive model when installed so probably inefficient as hell. Got a man coming out next week to service it so maybe that’ll help…


The MIL is buying us heated blankets for Christmas, may ask for them early!
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They’ll be nothing wrong with an 8 year old boiler. It should be perfectly serviceable and not really any worse than the equivalent new boiler.

I imagine the issue will be everything else it’s connected to and the boilers target temperature. You may well have an incorrectly sized boiler (being too big is a common issue).

1920s house probably means large rads to counteract the large heat loss they traditionally have before people started insulating and installing double glazing etc. when you are heating up a large thermal mass to a really high temperature, it uses a lot of gas.

Very few gas boilers actually get into their efficient modes because of the environment they are placed in, they are often grossly oversized as well. To get into the condensing mode you need low return temperatures, below 55c, but to achieve this you need to have correctly sized rads for the heat loss of each individual room and the house as a whole.

The system needs to be balanced across each room and the house as a whole, rads, boiler size and flow temperature with heat loss. Weather compensation also helps, it lower the flow temp when it’s warmer outside (a smaller difference between in and out means less heat loss).

Part of the issue is that heating engineers rarely do heat loss calculations when updating systems. Maximum efficiency didn’t really matter when energy was cheap but that isn’t the case anymore.

Rightly or wrongly, the process tend to be, ‘we will whack in a big boiler and not worry about it because it will be more than enough to heat the house’, the issue is now that those boilers will be needlessly burning a lot of your money.
 
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Bulb are being very weird.

I would normally have had a payment statement by now but there is absolutely nothing there.

Is anyone else with them and still unusually not got their payment statement?

I'm preparing myself for a probable heart attack when it does come through and particularly as over the last few days I've had to relent and put the thermostat up.

Only because I'm really unwell with my painful bladder thing and going to the toilet is stressful enough without shivering with cold whilst sat on for ages.
 
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SPG said:
It's still the standing charge it's a utter ******** disgrace.
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See, I don't get it... Apparently the SC is to pay for the network and the cost of delivering the relevant energy to the premises... But then I read this:

Electricity prices vary by nearly 4p per unit​


Customers in this region pay 36p a unit compared with the average of 34p, and the lowest of 32p, new figures show.

Over a year, those on a typical direct debit dual-fuel bill will pay £121 more than those in the cheapest region.

The energy regulator Ofgem says price differences "reflect how much it costs to transport energy to where you live".
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63205245

So which is it?

Is the SC there to provide the infrastructure and pay for delivery of the fuel or is it the variance in the unit rate?
 
Been with EDF for 1 year since utility point ceased trading in September 2021. EDF are being ridiculous right now. Was paying £50 a month this time last year with utility point. That increased to £65 after the switch, then £90 after first price cap and now £144 a month thanks to price cap. EDF had the cheek to increase my DD to £180 last week. My energy usage is the same as it has always been for the last 6 years i have lived it my current address (give or take maybe 5 units elec and gas per month) Also what is with EDF taking months to give me a bill. Only had 2 bills with them since October last year. First bill was after 4 months of the switch then 5 months later and nothing since. My bill is monthly according EDF. What gives?
 
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crazyDAJT said:
GO is moving to 12p off peek, luck I fixed in August.
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It’s funny how a few days in to October the new pricing was confirmed at 38.75 and 7.5 with some gas lock in deals actually getting reduced and then just 2 weeks in to the month, they set go to 12p and make other changes in the opposite direction to what the the pre reduced cap would have suggested..

EON haven’t done this from the literature on their website and EON aren’t known for being brilliant, fair or customer focused... Octopus has just dropped a peg or two in my books. You can’t get a hold of them very easily and the staffs ability from call to call differs drastically.

I’ll be pulling the £1800 of credit I have and expanding battery storage I think or revising how I use power further, the Seg payments on go are rubbish compared to none go tariffs unless that’s the plan, to push people away from it now they have captured even more market share following other mergers and closures past, present and inbound.

The amount of “untrustworthy” companies out there are on the up. I appreciate it’s the fault of the staff for not having a clue but the staff represent the company and if you get one moron then unfortunately that is the business.

I’ll be calling shortly and asking them to review the calls saying “stick to what you have, pricing shouldn’t be going anywhere”. That puts my costs up because of poorly trained or informed staff and I shall want to know what they will do about it.
 
Mr Mcgoo said:
Been with EDF for 1 year since utility point ceased trading in September 2021. EDF are being ridiculous right now. Was paying £50 a month this time last year with utility point. That increased to £65 after the switch, then £90 after first price cap and now £144 a month thanks to price cap. EDF had the cheek to increase my DD to £180 last week. My energy usage is the same as it has always been for the last 6 years i have lived it my current address (give or take maybe 5 units elec and gas per month) Also what is with EDF taking months to give me a bill. Only had 2 bills with them since October last year. Last bill was in July. First bill was after 3 months of the switch then 5 months later and nothing since. My bill is monthly according EDF. What gives?
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Ask them to put you onto whole amount DD, you just pay for what you use as long as you send in meter readings.
 
Mr Mcgoo said:
Been with EDF for 1 year since utility point ceased trading in September 2021. EDF are being ridiculous right now. Was paying £50 a month this time last year with utility point. That increased to £65 after the switch, then £90 after first price cap and now £144 a month thanks to price cap. EDF had the cheek to increase my DD to £180 last week. My energy usage is the same as it has always been for the last 6 years i have lived it my current address (give or take maybe 5 units elec and gas per month) Also what is with EDF taking months to give me a bill. Only had 2 bills with them since October last year. First bill was after 4 months of the switch then 5 months later and nothing since. My bill is monthly according EDF. What gives?
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What is your annual usage in kWh for gas and electricity?
 
HungryHippos said:
Ask them to put you onto whole amount DD, you just pay for what you use as long as you send in meter readings.
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Already done this :) Since before the October price cap (£3500) prior to the new £2500 cap was announced and after 4 calls i'm still waiting. Have now decided to stick with monthly DD which i have just seen is still at £144 not £180 they increased it to last week. Too much hassle TBH.
Surveyor said:
What is your annual usage in kWh for gas and electricity?
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2500KWh for electric and 5500KWh for gas. has been at that amount for the last 5 years. At least EDF carried that info across from Utility Point.
 
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