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413x said:
I think they will do something targeted. Not sure what. Like you say anything complex is hard to administer. Things like council tax bands etc aren't appropriate.
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They will continue to kick the can down the road, hoping the problem goes away by next winter.
 
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Troop said:
They will continue to kick the can down the road, hoping the problem goes away by next winter.
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They might be lucky. I don't think prices will be higher next winter. Think war will be over.

Either with WW3 or some deal. Not sure if gas will be pumped again from Russia, but I do expect more stability.

Or thier will be a proper recession, not a paper one, causing prices to come down. Which will bring other problems obviously.

I mean we are talking a year. A year ago the world was completely different
 
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she can't avoid being in HofP this afternoon as Hunt announces it .... so all revised Oct energy tarifs will be back in the air come April
 
Price cap running to April 2023 only now announced.

They could have an easy win on the Energy company's by getting them to drop the standing charge that somehow also dramatically went up because the unit price did.
 
Mr. Putin will be loving this energy cost and supply drama. I personally think the ongoing financial and military equipment drains on supporting Ukraine are unsustainable by many, for what is a war that has gone on long past its original time estimate by "experts" in Europe.

Huge energy bills are one way of turning public opinion in favour of pulling support. Capitulate to many in Europe's all eggs in one basket supplier, or suffer massive costs and a creaking energy supply for an indefinite period.

Too many people, too much reliance on sources outside of a country's own control, production, storage and distribution and once again a Cavalier attitude to interfering in other people's disputes without consideartion of the longer term consequences and costs.
 
Is it too early to say "called it"? :cry:

Haggisman said:
Someone has already posted on the previous page that the government has only committed to 3 month contracts with the suppliers, they also have form for major u-turns. I don't necessarily think they're going to do so in this case, but it's hardly outside the realms of possibility.
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Curlyriff said:
Yeah that is based on being able to remove the support package should the fuel prices crash and we returned to some normality and thus no support to the public is needed. Not support dropped in 3 months otherwise. Completely mis-read what has been stated to make a stupid point.
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Haggisman said:
Well, hopefully you're right and I'm not back here in 6-12 months quoting myself :D
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Chris Wilson said:
Mr. Putin will be loving this energy cost and supply drama. I personally think the ongoing financial and military equipment drains on supporting Ukraine are unsustainable by many, for what is a war that has gone on long past its original time estimate by "experts" in Europe.

Huge energy bills are one way of turning public opinion in favour of pulling support. Capitulate to many in Europe's all eggs in one basket supplier, or suffer massive costs and a creaking energy supply for an indefinite period.

Too many people, too much reliance on sources outside of a country's own control, production, storage and distribution and once again a Cavalier attitude to interfering in other people's disputes without consideartion of the longer term consequences and costs.
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I think public opinion will depend a lot on how Ukraine fares over the next 6 months. They've been retaking a lot of land in the last couple of months, which at least makes it feel like money is being well spent.

If with Russia's mobilisation they're able to reclaim what was lost, and push further, then all that money for extra military assistance will be seen as a waste.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Mr. Putin will be loving this energy cost and supply drama. I personally think the ongoing financial and military equipment drains on supporting Ukraine are unsustainable by many, for what is a war that has gone on long past its original time estimate by "experts" in Europe.

Huge energy bills are one way of turning public opinion in favour of pulling support. Capitulate to many in Europe's all eggs in one basket supplier, or suffer massive costs and a creaking energy supply for an indefinite period.

Too many people, too much reliance on sources outside of a country's own control, production, storage and distribution and once again a Cavalier attitude to interfering in other people's disputes without consideartion of the longer term consequences and costs.
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What experts in europe are you quoting, since the majority of the experts I have seen, such as NATO, have fallen over themselves to say DONT expect this to be quick and easy.

As we go over and over, short term capitulation is likely to lead to far worse situations in future.

I don't disagree that energy security has been taken for granted, this will be a wake up and I suspect at least it means more will be behind solar and wind etc who were previously against due to irrational "thinking".

I think Putin agrees with your last sentence. He would like to see less people as well.
 
I've gone back a few pages and haven't seen Ovo mentioned. They credited the £66 to my account today, but really screwed up the calcs.

They've somehow taken it off my balance as online item. But then also put it against my charges for 2 days of usage (as my bill date is the 15th), so I've got a negative charge on my usage, which they've then added to my balance on another line item.

So effectively the £66 has been wiped out.
 
Semple said:
I think public opinion will depend a lot on how Ukraine fares over the next 6 months. They've been retaking a lot of land in the last couple of months, which at least makes it feel like money is being well spent.

If with Russia's mobilisation they're able to reclaim what was lost, and push further, then all that money for extra military assistance will be seen as a waste.
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We will see this through. Losing is not an option. It will cause a huge power shift to Russia and we will be held hostage to prices of food, oil/gas and materials. China will see the weakness in NATO and go for Taiwan. It will just get out of hand really fast.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
What experts in europe are you quoting, since the majority of the experts I have seen, such as NATO, have fallen over themselves to say DONT expect this to be quick and easy.

As we go over and over, short term capitulation is likely to lead to far worse situations in future.

I don't disagree that energy security has been taken for granted, this will be a wake up and I suspect at least it means more will be behind solar and wind etc who were previously against due to irrational "thinking".

I think Putin agrees with your last sentence. He would like to see less people as well.
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The "experts" (note the inverted commas) in nearly every forum who ridiculed Russia's military, predicted Putin's imminent death and foresaw Ukraine swatting Russia like an annoying fly. The same on line media "experts" across Europe now praying they can pay their energy bills next year and continue a normal existence with reliable heat and light and even food supplies.
 
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I personally think the ongoing financial and military equipment drains on supporting Ukraine are unsustainable by many
UK military drain alone, of 2.3BN this year and next year won't break the bank
 
Chris Wilson said:
The "experts" (note the inverted commas) in nearly every forum who ridiculed Russia's military, predicted Putin's imminent death and foresaw Ukraine swatting Russia like an annoying fly. The same on line media "experts" across Europe now praying they can pay their energy bills next year and continue a normal existence with reliable heat and light and even food supplies.
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I'd love to see a quote from anyone at the start of this conflict that said Ukraine would swat Russia?

Not saying there wasnt some but my recollection seems to be the overwhelming thoughts were Russia was going to steamroller Ukraine, and the ensuing ineptness displayed by the Russian military was a surprise to the world.
 
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delta0 said:
The Ukraine war has caused the price of gas to rise. The price of gas is used to set the price of electricity no matter its source. This means there is a huge gap between the real cost of the electricity and the price we pay for it.
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Yeah I think from what I have seen they are already looking to break that.

Chris Wilson said:
<LOL> It's certainly not doing it any good either...
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Oddly unlike most government accounts the military one gets its money sent whether or not its spent. Part of that is specifically so that should a war happen the funds are there at precisely the time when income is likely to be hammered.
 
Freakbro said:
I'd love to see a quote from anyone at the start of this conflict that said Ukraine would swat Russia?

Not saying there wasnt some but my recollection seems to be the overwhelming thoughts were Russia was going to steamroller Ukraine, and the ensuing ineptness displayed by the Russian military was a surprise to the world.
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Exactly I am not sure who these "experts" are supposed to be but they bear no relation to the actual ones.
 
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