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[theone8181]

Gas hobs are cheaper to run, but they are not that much cheaper, certainly not for spending a load of money to swap it.

Have you not seen the cost of leccy compared to gas.

 

[Simon]

Have you not seen the cost of leccy compared to gas.

Half the heat from gas misses the pan anyway

 

[jonneymendoza]

Food tastes and cook better with flame...

Not electric...

Electric hobs need to be banned!

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Have you not seen the cost of leccy compared to gas.

Half the heat from gas misses the pan anyway

This.

 

[TNA]

Food tastes and cook better with flame...

Not electric...

Electric hobs need to be banned!

Yeah, not a fan of electric hobs. We had one like 30 years ago. Looks cool, but it just ain’t the same.

Kind of want to go all electric in the house in the next decade or so, but I think the gas may need to stay just for the hob

Hopefully solar and battery tech get better and cheaper or we get the government subsidies for them.

 

[Journey]

Kind of want to go all electric in the house in the next decade or so, but I think the gas may need to stay just for the hob

Friend of mine is totally off grid but loves cooking on gas, so he has a hob that runs on LPG/Calor. No need for mains gas supply and standing charges etc. He's also got his own water/well and pretty much grows most of his own food. Still buys meat though.

 

[lewism]

I’m not sure what your getting at?

It sounds like you haven’t been paying enough to keep up with how much you have consumed, hence the sharp increase to recover that position. You’ll be able to reduce it once it is.

Paying in advance due to rising costs forecast. They take more now so you don’t get hit with hundreds of pounds worth of debt when you give them meter readings in a few months time.

Source: I bought a house that bulb supplies and haven’t used any utilities yet(not moved in) and got the same email going on the previous occupiers usage.

 

[TNA]

Friend of mine is totally off grid but loves cooking on gas, so he has a hob that runs on LPG/Calor. No need for mains gas supply and standing charges etc. He's also got his own water/well and pretty much grows most of his own food. Still buys meat though.

Haha. That sounds good, but I won’t be going that far. We did a bit of food growing in our garden a few years back before we got dogs. The amount of work that goes into and the results you get back, could have spent the money buying from supermarket. Lol. Was a fun experience though.

One of the funny things that happen for me was about potatoes. I thought they came from a seed or something. Kept googling potato seeds and did not understand why the delivery cost was so high

 

[theone8181]

Half the heat from gas misses the pan anyway

Surely you just use a bigger pan. I've not dibe the maths but I'm sure electric hobs uses loads of electric and they are normally very slow to respond as essentially they're just a hot plate (not talking about induction here).

 

[413x]

I like the gas hob we have on range master. Only real issue is its a pain to clean vs induction.

I'd go induction next I think

 

[Simon]

Surely you just use a bigger pan. I've not dibe the maths but I'm sure electric hobs uses loads of electric and they are normally very slow to respond as essentially they're just a hot plate (not talking about induction here).

Heat still goes around it.

yes a 3kW gas burner and a 2kW job are exactly that but how much gets to the food is the important bit. That said gas will be cheaper still.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

It seems induction is best, gas in the middle and normal electric is worst in efficiency from this, which is what i was lead to believe previously

https://www.leafscore.com/eco-frien...e-energy-efficient-gas-electric-or-induction/

I guess the normal electric efficiency is partly time dependent though since if you were cooking for a long time, slow boil type thing (like jam making) the initial inefficiencies would be somewhat eliminated

 

[Simon]

They are all 100% efficient at turning fuel into heat. Do you mean energy transfer to food?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

They are all 100% efficient at turning fuel into heat. Do you mean energy transfer to food?

Yes, put your hand near a gas burner you’ll quickly realise a lot of heat is lost directly to the air from the burner itself and never makes it into the pot/pan/heated item. Hence it’s less efficient.

Being pedantic I’d dispute the 100% efficient as energy is lost to light on all forms (except induction?).

 

[Simon]

Yes, put your hand near a gas burner you’ll quickly realise a lot of heat is lost directly to the air from the burner itself and never makes it into the pot/pan/heated item. Hence it’s less efficient.

Being pedantic I’d dispute the 100% efficient as energy is lost to light on all forms (except induction?).

That’s literally what I said earlier. I still don’t see how gas is better than electric for that like the link posted suggested.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I think the conversion to heat energy is nigh on 100% in all cases, but not 100% in any case.

I think the issue with the older tech electric rings was that people tended to heat them up before using them. As such the warming up period when they will be using 100% energy for 0% food heating means the average over the time they are being used is somewhat dependent on whats being cooked. If its a quick heating of a can of soup for example the heating to cooking time would be different to my example of jam making where heating time would be basically irrelevant (and actually unnecessary)

Gas suffers user issues as well. My other half for example regularly will put the large ring on for a small pan, flames going up all round, madness. Where as you should use a ring that means the flames are not "escaping" round the edges. When we use the griddle there is absolutely minimal heat escaping round the edges, but thats a hunk of cast iron and takes ages to heat so not that efficient in general for heating food. Which is part of the issue with some electric heating, your heating up something indirectly thats not being heated with gas / induction, the metal ring itself is heated then left. With all methods your also heating the pan directly or indirectly. With gas and induction you leave no residual energy in the heating device, with normal electric you are, which I suspect is partly why the induction pulls ahead of other electric heating.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

That’s literally what I said earlier. I still don’t see how gas is better than electric for that like the link posted suggested.

It isn't, just personal preference. I used to think gas was better but then I used an electric hob that was from this century, it's also a lot easier to clean an electric hob, hated the faff with the gas hob.

 

[alec]

conversion to heat energy is nigh on 100%

I think using electricity for heat is barbaric

electricity came from a power plant
burning some fuel, be it coal, biomass or gas to get heat, to get steam, to turn turbine at 40% efficiency
to get electricity, transporting it to be converted to heat in your kitchen again

I think I will take some heat from gas burner escaping around my pan over the above scenario
And before someone says but but but renewables, nuclear etc. First stop burning gas in power plants, then come after the house heating boilers and gas hobs.

 

[Simon]

It isn't, just personal preference. I used to think gas was better but then I used an electric hob that was from this century, it's also a lot easier to clean an electric hob, hated the faff with the gas hob.

About efficiency not cooking. Wow this is going around a bit. Anyway I guess the gas hob waste heat heats the kitchen too anyway

 

[john_smith]

This is probably the wrong place to ask but....

Heating a hot water cylinder. Electric vs. Oil Boiler. How would I go about working out what's the cheaper way to do it?

Historically i've used the oil boiler, however now i'm using electric over night in my octopus go (5p/unit) window.

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