England and Wales are no longer Christian nations...

BowdonUK said:
It means that getting rid of religion isn't going to mean people stop believing in things. They will replace God with other things i.e. money, power, wealth, ego, dominance over others etc.
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Money is a tangible thing - I KNOW it exists and can PROVE it exists, unlike a god. I'd also argue that people have been believing in those things and chasing them since WAY before the bible or Christianity was a thing, and most religions are formed by people chasing those things to begin with. The very point of the catholic church is to amass wealth, power, dominance etc.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Education and modern wester culture has effectively killed Christianity in a generation what's to say it won't do the same to other Faiths? If you went back to the 50's and told someone that within 75 years basically nobody would be going to church they would have laughed at you as basically everyone went.
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Here's a thought experiment, we create a being that is logical only at creation and tell it that it won't remain logical as it picks up experience and education. Then we tell it that in the society it is being placed that practising Christians on average will have better lifetime outcomes than non-Christians. What should they choose at that moment?
 
Religion to me was brought into life as a coping mechanism for the unknown of the afterlife/death, that so happened to let people in power control those less well of easier
 
BowdonUK said:
And how great society as become since there is less religion :rolleyes:
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yes religion has some positives and does a lot of good.... but equally it has caused masses of pain and suffering as well and has been (and still is) used as a tool for control and subversion.

so i would say at best that is a tie!. There are plenty of good religious people as well as bad ones too and equally, you do not have to believe in a god to want to lead a good life and to attempt to be an over all positive influence on those around you.

I guess my faith if you want to call it that is that i live on through my child, by hopefully helping him to become a better person than i am, and by trying to make sure that in the future his memories of me are ones which make him smile, and as such do the same for either his children if he chooses to have them, or if not then his friends.... so my faith is in nature and in people i suppose.

no god necessary......
 
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PlacidCasual said:
Here's a thought experiment, we create a being that is logical only at creation and tell it that it won't remain logical as it picks up experience and education. Then we tell it that in the society it is being placed that practising Christians on average will have better lifetime outcomes than non-Christians. What should they choose at that moment?
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Are we far from the creation of a digital god using AI and letting it loose on the world? How many susceptible people would worship such a deity? Much as they believe in digital currencies.

Somebody could score really big as it's number one disciple.
 
Hagar said:
Are we far from the creation of a digital god using AI and letting it loose on the world? How many susceptible people would worship such a deity? Much as they believe in digital currencies.

Somebody could score really big as it's number one disciple.
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The TV series (and books i believe) American Gods touches on this.... not that i reccomend the program, i found it a bit of a slog tbh (but anything with the imo excellent Pablo Schreiber in cant be all bad)
 
Not really surprised. I don't know many people around my age (32) who are actually practicing Christians. My younger brother and cousins still attend church (ages 20-23) weekly and I have a few friends who follow Islam but most of my friends are a mix of agnostic and atheists.
 
looks like continuation of trend from 2011 census
definition by youngsters of what religion/Christianity is has changed, so, yes ... Nothing to see here. .. Justin Welby made too many tv appearances ?

We know from previous data released by the ONS that a quarter of the population of England and Wales do not have a religion but for the first time we have more details on age and background. Four in ten people with no religion were aged under 25 and four in five are under 50, with the biggest increases seen amongst the 20-24 age group and those aged 40-44.
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So, there are less religous people in the UK that non-religous.

I'm sure we'll be told that means we are under Shariah law now :D

eta - thread title a bit baity isn't it? Christianity in decline would be more fitting. Now I see the "sort of", still...
 
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CapitalOne said:
So, there are less religous people in the UK that non-religous.

I'm sure we'll be told that means we are under Shariah law now :D

eta - thread title a bit baity isn't it? Christianity in decline would be more fitting. Now I see the "sort of", still...
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There are more religious people in the UK than non-religious.
 
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