England Euro 2012 post mortem thread.

Rooney was utter **** last night, I hate the fact that he gets special treatment because hes a 'star player' utter BS - last night he had as much impact on the game as a 3rd division footballer would have. I hope theres serious consideration for him being excluded from the squad because we have played dramatically worse whenever he was involved.

he came across as Lazy and not bothered in the slightest.
 
I sort of hope Rooney does get dropped.

1. He'll be fitter for United :)
2. England will still play **** and everyone that seems to blame every tournament on him will have to find some other 'reason'
 
The Italians rolled the ball out from the keeper and kept the ball building from the back. Watching us blow ourselves out of steam like Ricky Hatton taking 10 punches to try to land one.

For 20 minutes we looked like we might do the same, then we went back to Joe Hart holding onto the ball, let all the players assemble in the middle and boot it out in the hope we get the ball. Then our defenders started doing the same. Really not the best idea when all of your midfield and forward line seem to have forgotten to bring their first touch.

Yet every single tournament it's the same. Under pressure, boot it forward right back to the opposition and let them come again while we chase shadows.

Nothing in our game will ever change while international football has become the poor relation to Champions league football. Even this year in the press/tv I cannot ever remember a more low key build up to a major tournament. All the players care about is getting themselves in a club that will be in the CL next season.

As soon as we go to build a team for the world cup and want to get players together they will be injured and then play 4 days later for their clubs. I'm sure they only bother because it helps with endorsements and sponsorship.

I do find it odd that people say player A needs to prove himself on at international level. Most of those players already play at a higher level than international football. The quality of the football in the group we got out of was laughably bad.

Rooney wasn't lacking match fitness, he was lacking desire. This was eating into his Dubai holiday time with his wife. ;)
 
Shamikebab said:
I sort of hope Rooney does get dropped.

1. He'll be fitter for United :)
2. England will still play **** and everyone that seems to blame every tournament on him will have to find some other 'reason'
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So would I if I was a united fan. It's not like England look worse in the games he's missed. Hell we might as well have taken Crouch.

He gets the blame because like lots of England players he makes out he's straining at the leash to get started and then plays like he would rather be elsewhere.

Apart from that one tournie where he still had pace and linked well with owen he's been largely dire.
 
Shamikebab said:
I sort of hope Rooney does get dropped.

1. He'll be fitter for United :)
2. England will still play **** and everyone that seems to blame every tournament on him will have to find some other 'reason'
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It'll still be Rooney's fault :p

dannyjo22 said:
Apart from that one tournie where he still had pace and linked well with owen he's been largely dire.
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As have those around him ;)
 
Just occurred to me, in all the 'Andy Carroll is brilliant, should have started, would have won everything' blab, I haven't seen anyone mention that he didn't have the guts to step up and take a penalty?
 
QF was the best this squad could have done.

The best teams have got through to the semi finals, well, maybe Holland on paper should be there.

I hope people dont blame the manager and all that rubbish, at the end of the day for some reason we don't produce a "Pirlo" or Ronaldo, Ozil, Iniesta etc etc.

Young is possibly overated, he really needs a cracking flourish to his over hyped career.

Gerrard maybe this was his last chance, also Terry.

Just hope this "new" generation at the moment actually progress.

It is so obvious we need to teach young players how to keep the ball, maybe its just something that we will never be able to do, It always ends up being a case of last ditch defending from another team that totally dominates from the midfield.

We always have good defenders and more often that not have good strikers, we seem to really lack being able to dominate midfield areas
 
read an interesting bit on a website, not sure how true it is, but after losing out on the world cup graham taylor said that we needed to change the way we played, FA had him make up a document about what needed to be done.

as per usual with the FA for reasons best known to themselves they binned it, germans came along, read it, said "mm we like the sound of this", they brought klinsman in to put plans into action and the rest as they say is history.

does make you worry about the future of our game if its even half true :(.

and agree Danny, we need to play it from the back and retain possession, on occasions we have done it we haven't looked bad, our problem is our passing/confidence/movement isn't good enough to do it under pressure we always seem to get flustered and resort to hoofing it.

which always confuses the hell out of me as most of the premiership teams don't hoof the ball, but i guess they have the benefit of players who can pass play like that.

something else i seem to hear a lot of the time is the comparative number of uefa coaches per nation, we seem to lag a long way behind the likes of france, spain, germany etc.
 
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Shamikebab said:
Just occurred to me, in all the 'Andy Carroll is brilliant, should have started, would have won everything' blab, I haven't seen anyone mention that he didn't have the guts to step up and take a penalty?
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tbf the selection of those that took the pens made sense

Gerrard takes them for Liverpool
Rooney takes them for United
Young used to take them for Villa
Cole has a good record in shoot outs for both Arsenal and Chelsea

I suspect had he been on the pitch Milner would have taken one as he too used to take them for Villa and has taken them for City
 
dannyjo22 said:
The Italians rolled the ball out from the keeper and kept the ball building from the back. Watching us blow ourselves out of steam like Ricky Hatton taking 10 punches to try to land one.
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Funnily enough, it was a boxing analogy that popped into my head last night when I heard some idiot on 5 Live saying we only lost on penalties, as if that's some indication of us being close to good enough.

In boxing terms, we were battered for the full 12 rounds and then lost by a wide margin on the cards, and it's always the same when we meet the better teams, we're either battered for however many rds before we get ko'd, or battered for the full 12 and lose by a points landslide. Wouldn't it be great to go into a torunament and give as good as we get, and if we lose it's by split decision, or there's at least as much chance of us getting the ko as them. Can't see it happening for a long time I'm afraid.

As for Rooney, I'm not blind, he's been utterly useless for England for a long time now. 15 years ago we had strikers that were good enough ready and waiting to take the place of anyone that didn't perform, for whatever reason, today we do not.
 
Let's also not forget that one of the reasons Rooney wasn't 'match fit' is that he missed the first 2 games after another show of indiscipline, a recurring theme sadly. :( We also consistently invite pressure by hoofing the ball forward in the vain hope that we will retain possession, we then run around like headless chickens trying to win it back. Why not keep hold of it in the first place? It really is painful to watch and it's been like this for years now with England.
 
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For me it all went wrong when we started playing Rooney. The lads were doing fine without him & he wasn't match fit. Knowing Rooney though he'll blame the fans.
 
Can't blame match fitness on Rooney being awful. He was absolutely terrible last night from the kick off, constantly gave the ball away, running into the same space as Wellbeck, gave Pirlo absolutely acres if indeed it was his job to close him down. What made it worse for me was Wellbeck being subbed, it just didnt make sense, Rooney was already dead on his feet, Parker and Gerrard little better, so why on earth take one of the few players playing well and actually causing the Italians problems. Rooney should not have even been taken to the tournament, let alone start any games.

Young was awful all tournament. Couldn't find another player at all. I don't care what anyone says about the pressure of penalties, you should not blast the ball like that. It's England for gods sake, how many times does this have to happen before they will learn. Milner just isn't international quality and Walcott did nothing for the hour he was on the pitch. We had to rely on Parker and Gerrard and there just wasnt enough left in the tank at the end.
 
This wasnt Rooneys fault...

Yeh he didnt play well, but pretty much no one played well.

The defence thats it.

I think Carrick might of been a good shout to take, he can pretty much do a controlling passing midfield game.. sometimes.

Gerrard hasnt been his best for a while, Parker is just a tackler and he does a good job but can't control a game. We had no one else to put in central midfield.

Will Wilshere become a dominant midfield player, who knows
 
Well there are rumours that Wilshere failed a drug test or was on drugs and therefore that is the real reason why Wilshere diddnt play at all this season and got dealt with internaly by arsenal before going through the FA.

His twitter account has been suspended ever since the rumour surfaced.
 
jonneymendoza said:
why is it Rooney's job to close down Pirlo? Rooney is a striker not a midfielder. it was Parker or Gerrards job to contain Pirlo
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Because he was asked to? All night the commentators were saying Rooney has been asked to close down Pirlo, unless they made it up, he was asked by the England Management team to mark him.

Parker and Gerrard were marking Montolivo and De Rossi (badly).
 
Jano said:
Because he was asked to? All night the commentators were saying Rooney has been asked to close down Pirlo, unless they made it up, he was asked by the England Management team to mark him.
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No wonder why we looked **** offensively. who's job is it to feed wellbeck/Carroll then?
 
Jano said:
Because he was asked to? All night the commentators were saying Rooney has been asked to close down Pirlo, unless they made it up, he was asked by the England Management team to mark him.

Parker and Gerrard were marking Montolivo and De Rossi (badly).
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Is it not poor management asking a striker to mark a midfielder? I'm not saying Woy's alone is asking Rooney to do it because Fergie's got him 'to do a job' countless times before as well but surely the most obvious thing to do would be play someone like Jones to man mark someone like Pirlo and leave Rooney to play his natural game no?
 
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