England Euro 2012 post mortem thread.

jonneymendoza said:
why is it Rooney's job to close down Pirlo? Rooney is a striker not a midfielder. it was Parker or Gerrards job to contain Pirlo
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got a feeling that rooney was set to play just behind welbeck, so he was in the sort of position you would expect pirlo to be in, just in front of the defence, so rather than pulling gerrard/parker out of position rooney was given the task to close him down.

if it was the job assigned to him, and whether its right or not i really don't care, he showed no passion for it which is not right, spends enough time chasing to the full back areas for man utd that do it in the oppositions half of the field shouldn't have been an issue, if he'd got it off pirlo early enough he could have a run at the defence.
 
I love all this rooney wasn't match fit because he missed what football for 7 days longer than his team mates. I bet there are players on the bench and in the italian squad in a similar position. Or teams whose seasons end earlier?

What a laughable excuse for a professional footballer. What does he do in prep then, eat pies when he's not playing in the next week?

If he was injured for the last part of the season, fair play but anyone else would be saying the extra rest should have fuelled his desire. Not england, he wasn't match fit. Next it will be the extra weight of his hair is causing too much drag.
 
mp260767 said:
got a feeling that rooney was set to play just behind welbeck, so he was in the sort of position you would expect pirlo to be in, just in front of the defence, so rather than pulling gerrard/parker out of position rooney was given the task to close him down.

if it was the job assigned to him, and whether its right or not i really don't care, he showed no passion for it which is not right, spends enough time chasing to the full back areas for man utd that do it in the oppositions half of the field shouldn't have been an issue, if he'd got it off pirlo early enough he could have a run at the defence.
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He ran over 1km more than the next England player by half time. Haven't seen the full time stats but the distance covered indicates that a lack of hard work wasn't the problem.

The problem is it doesn't matter how many times you win the ball if it's given straight back to the opposition and all of our players were guilty of that.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I love all this rooney wasn't match fit because he missed what football for 7 days longer than his team mates. I bet there are players on the bench and in the italian squad in a similar position. Or teams whose seasons end earlier?

What a laughable excuse for a professional footballer. What does he do in prep then, eat pies when he's not playing in the next week?

If he was injured for the last part of the season, fair play but anyone else would be saying the extra rest should have fuelled his desire. Not england, he wasn't match fit. Next it will be the extra weight of his hair is causing too much drag.
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Stop being bitter.
 
What a truly woeful performance, they just seem to be getting worse and worse. England managers have been too afraid to make brave decisions and leave out big name players who do nothing, and they have all failed miserably. England played reasonably well in the first 2 games, and they should have kept that team for the 3rd game and brought Rooney on as a sub if he was needed. One of the most talented young English players, AOC, didn't get a sniff even after putting in a good performance in part of the first game in which he played.

Looking forward, things do look good in the sense that the old players will be forced out so things can't possibly get worse. They couldn't even string 2 passes together, it was embarrassing to watch from Englands point of view.
 
Shamikebab said:
Just occurred to me, in all the 'Andy Carroll is brilliant, should have started, would have won everything' blab, I haven't seen anyone mention that he didn't have the guts to step up and take a penalty?
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Were you that upset with people criticising Rooney that you resorted to this? This is cringeworthy Shami.

Was it not possible that he was taking the 5th penalty or that he wanted to take a pen but wasn't picked to take one? Given that Carroll was always trying to take pens and free-kicks last season for Liverpool, I find it unlikely that he would have turned down the chance to take a pen last night.
 
DanH84 said:
He ran over 1km more than the next England player by half time. Haven't seen the full time stats but the distance covered indicates that a lack of hard work wasn't the problem.
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covering ground and covering the ground effectively are different things, i don't doubt he covers a lot of ground for united, but he gets back to the full back positions etc, england don't need him in our half we need him to do his work in the oppositions half.

agree about the passing tho, i really don't know how they can be called professional footballers and do the basics so badly so often :confused:
 
carlazai said:
Sure this has been asked but how come the players can last for 120mins for club but cant in an England shirt?
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because most the time they have fitter european players running about for them :D.

yeah a mate says thats the way RH plays, problem is we don't have the players to play the system well :(.
 
mp260767 said:
because most the time they have technically better, foreign players, controlling parts of the game so that they don't have to chase shadows for 110 minutes(England had a 10 minute spell!).
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Fixed that up for you!
That coupled with the fact that you can't rest players, especially in the Euro's, and that it's far hotter that your average game in England doesn't help England's traditionally game plan which was again trotted out before the match last night-"Lets have a real go at them"- i.e try and force everything and constantly lose the ball.
 
Can't wait to see how England do against this Germany side.

Going to be a cracking semi final!





leave me alone, i can dream
 
Shamikebab said:
Well that's because you clearly hate him :p

There was about 5 passes in the build up to the overhead for starters, then the link up with welbeck for the chance in the first half.
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I obviously didn't notice, other than when he ran into three Italy players and gave the ball away. I actually don't hate Rooney, I just don't think he's very good.
 
All of this blaming Rooney is absolutely hilarious.

It doesn't matter what strikers you have if your team never have the ball. You could have Messi in the England team and we would still be reliant on him producing some individual magic to get us a goal.

If you lose the midfield battle, you lose the game. This is why all of the winning teams play five midfielders, 442 simply won't work unless you have the perfect setup for it, mainly two tireless box to box midfielders.

Unfortunately for Rooney he's our best player by quite a margin so everything is on his shoulders, but if the rest of the team never have the ball, you can't expect much. That said he didn't look fully fit. Rooney is never one of the first players to run out of steam.

Our tactics in their entirety were always going to collapse against a decent midfield, and we saw that last night. We rarely had the ball, and players will always tire a lot faster without the ball, when you have Gerrard and Parker in CM, keeping the ball is key so they don't tire too quickly. Just look at Pirlo, he hardly broke a sweat.
 
Tom84 said:
Was what I was about to say, I cant see any manager in the world giving them a man marking job. It goes without saying England should have played a 3 man midfield but thinking about it giving Gerrard the job to mark Pirlo would have been the best option given he's got the quality (or used to) to actually create something that far up the pitch as well (should he be able to nick the ball from Pirlo early enough)

-----Jones-----Parker-----
---------Gerrard----------
Milner----Rooney----Welbeck

Something like that would have worked much better
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Do you think Gerrard has the legs to keep up with Pirlo?

No knocking Gerrard at all, an honest question - I think he would have struggled , I think it would have worked better swapping Jones and Gerrard (although you have a point that Jones isnt yet /at all near the quality of Gerrard that far up the pitch) and give the young legs of Jones the task of chasing Pirlo all over the pitch

Pirlo's legs are getting on a bit, but he was struggling a lot less than majority of the England team throughout the game
 
Certainly in theory Gerrard should be able to keep up with a 33 year old Pirlo, especially if he was leaving all the donkey work elsewhere on the pitch to Parker and Jones
 
Did anyone else think it was funny that he brought Carroll on, but then took off Milner for Walcott?

Carroll ended up doing a lot of pressing of their backline, and trying to receive long balls from Hart in midfield before laying it off to young/rooney/walcott.

Surely with the way England were playing, it would have been better to just lump balls into the box for him? Or keep Welbeck on and bring on Walcott to get passing counter attacks going?

Don't think Carroll and Walcott were very compatible :(.
 
Robbo said:
All of this blaming Rooney is absolutely hilarious.

It doesn't matter what strikers you have if your team never have the ball. You could have Messi in the England team and we would still be reliant on him producing some individual magic to get us a goal.

If you lose the midfield battle, you lose the game. This is why all of the winning teams play five midfielders, 442 simply won't work unless you have the perfect setup for it, mainly two tireless box to box midfielders.

Unfortunately for Rooney he's our best player by quite a margin so everything is on his shoulders, but if the rest of the team never have the ball, you can't expect much. That said he didn't look fully fit. Rooney is never one of the first players to run out of steam.

Our tactics in their entirety were always going to collapse against a decent midfield, and we saw that last night. We rarely had the ball, and players will always tire a lot faster without the ball, when you have Gerrard and Parker in CM, keeping the ball is key so they don't tire too quickly. Just look at Pirlo, he hardly broke a sweat.
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I'm not blaming him, he just wasn't good enough. If he is in fact our best player, which I don't think he is, let alone best player by quite a margin, we're doomed anyway quite honestly.
 
Jano said:
I'm not blaming him, he just wasn't good enough. If he is in fact our best player, which I don't think he is, let alone best player by quite a margin, we're doomed anyway quite honestly.
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Who do you think is England's best player then? Just curious...
 
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