England V India Clash of the Heavyweights Test, T20 and ODI Series

TheCenturion · 16 Sep 2011 at 22:37

India down to 5th in the ODI rankings?!

This series has bent them over and buttraped them. They've gone from being on top of world cricket to becoming distinctly average. It's quite sad to see, you can't remain on top for long. I would say that one day England will know this feeling, but the way they work hard and prepare, their fall from the top will probably be very slow and painless.

Psycho Ned · 16 Sep 2011 at 22:38

TheCenturion said:
Without wishing to be pessimistic, I think that the England test team is doing brilliantly, but I really don't think that this ODI win was all that impressive from England. The weather and the injuries really hampered India, and no I'm not just fishing for excuses or anything, they really did impact this series a lot.

Well we don't have long to see how good they are as they'll be locking horns again in a month in India! Hopefully with India having a better team out.

Looks to be some good youngsters coming through for England though we've always struggled finding guys who can really smash it about at the end of an innings but we've got a few guys in the team who can hit a 6 or 2 now.

sigma · 16 Sep 2011 at 22:42

TheCenturion said:
I disagree. The BCCI controls a LOT. It has a lot of power and is probably richer than the ICC. Although a bit of money gets passed down to the players, very little power does.

Well yeah, you're making out as if they're unconnected. The BCCI are to blame for the majority of the poor performance during this tour. The players did seem to give up a bit too easily though IMO.

Kudos to England obviously, but it's not like they were really pushed at all.

I could be here all night typing away so I'll stop and end with:

lolIndia

Alpherah · 16 Sep 2011 at 22:42

TheCenturion said:
India down to 5th in the ODI rankings?!

This series has bent them over and buttraped them. They've gone from being on top of world cricket to becoming distinctly average. It's quite sad to see, you can't remain on top for long. I would say that one day England will know this feeling, but the way they work hard and prepare, their fall from the top will probably be very slow and painless.

England spent 60 old years being distinctly average, its something we'r well accustomed to.

TheCenturion · 16 Sep 2011 at 22:44

sigma said:
Well yeah, you're making out as if they're unconnected. The BCCI are to blame for the majority of the poor performance during this tour. The players did seem to give up a bit too easily though IMO.

Kudos to England obviously, but it's not like they were really pushed at all.

I could be here all night typing away so I'll stop and end with:

lolIndia

I was talking about corruption though. Of course the players are to blame for poor performance

Alpherah said:
England spent 60 old years being distinctly average, its something we'r well accustomed to.

Thankfully England fans aren't demanding. Indian fans expect their team to go out and win every time.

sigma · 16 Sep 2011 at 22:48

TheCenturion said:
I was talking about corruption though. Of course the players are to blame for poor performance

Not only that, but the BCCI are responsible for the lack of depth in the team. A country with so many people and with such a passion for the game can surely produce some top players to replace the greats?

They should send the young rising talents over here to play county cricket rather than IPL.

Steve (Mark?) Waugh said that there were LOADS of players being approached to take part in match fixing so it wouldn't surprise me if the players were in on it. If loads are reporting it then I wonder how many go unreported.

I mean who would ever have thought that India wouldn't win a match in this tour?

I posted this a few matches ago. It's a very real possibility in my opinion.

TheCenturion said:
Thankfully England fans aren't demanding. Indian fans expect their team to go out and win every time.

At this rate India will have to lower their expectations, especially as more of the legends retire.

Alpherah · 16 Sep 2011 at 22:59

sigma said:
Steve (Mark?) Waugh said that there were LOADS of players being approached to take part in match fixing so it wouldn't surprise me if the players were in on it. If loads are reporting it then I wonder how many go unreported.

Another series in England tarnished by Match fixing allegations?

please god no

TheCenturion · 16 Sep 2011 at 23:02

No. That's one of the reasons Indians get paid loads - less temptation to corrupt

All the corruption happens at the top

sigma · 16 Sep 2011 at 23:48

TheCenturion said:
No. That's one of the reasons Indians get paid loads - less temptation to corrupt

All the corruption happens at the top

Well that's that then! TC says so, so it must be true.

It's not like there have been any recent match fixing allegations and convictions or anything.

TheCenturion · 17 Sep 2011 at 09:32

Do you have any evidence that the Indian cricketers are corrupt?

sigma · 17 Sep 2011 at 09:42

Weebull · 17 Sep 2011 at 11:34

rotters said:
well a complete white wash

Surely the tie means that the ODIs weren't a white wash?

elmuzzy66. said:
What is that ?, that i hear in the distance

He's right though. I'm still not particularly convinced by our ODI team, and although it's good to get a couple of wins under our belts, I think the fact we're fantastic as a Test side is clouding some people's judgement over the other teams. We're still a fairly average ODI side, I'd say.

Dave · 17 Sep 2011 at 12:08

The England ODI side is pretty average, but it's still good to see them win for a change. And Trott getting his first sixes - unleashing the beast from within

Watch out for Cook and Trott smashing people around the park from now on (or not)!

Cricinfo is pretty unbearable now - the amount of sour grapes from the Indian fans is unbelievable. I'm thankful it's all over now as it means that the Indian guy in our labs will now help us with computer issues now that there's no cricket to follow and get angry about

rotters · 17 Sep 2011 at 12:13

Weebull said:
Surely the tie means that the ODIs weren't a white wash?

its a series with out loss, a weather influenced draw doesnt mean much.

Locke · 17 Sep 2011 at 12:37

Can't help but lol at India. So many injuries and weather interuptions!

sigma said:
As a former Indian fan I feel **** all for them.

Caffrey said:
I want them to get 300 so England can chase it down with ease and make them feel even worse

I'll just leave this here.

Caffrey · 17 Sep 2011 at 13:08

Dammit, I should've put that bet down after all

To be fair, you could see this coming after the first test or so. When you have 1 above par bowler you can't expect much even with all that batting.

Also, when your bowlers get injured from playing football, you've got to laugh at their stupidity.

TheCenturion · 17 Sep 2011 at 14:07

sigma said:
Yes.

Go on then, reveal it.

Caffrey said:
Also, when your bowlers get injured from playing football, you've got to laugh at their stupidity.

The worst part is that it's not the first time it's happened. It's happened too many times in the past it's actually laughable

I will continue to maintain that India's been unbelievably unlucky this ODI series. It's been a lot of bad luck all at once. Afterall, they outscored England in 4 of the 5 games

Stewy · 17 Sep 2011 at 14:13

Buttler is such a gun.

Weebull · 17 Sep 2011 at 15:04

rotters said:
its a series with out loss, a weather influenced draw doesnt mean much.

In cricket a whitewash is winning all possible games, and England didn't.

Anyway, enough pedantry.

Dave · 17 Sep 2011 at 22:57

TheCenturion said:
I will continue to maintain that India's been unbelievably unlucky this ODI series. It's been a lot of bad luck all at once. Afterall, they outscored England in 4 of the 5 games

They had more overs to score the extra runs in each game though

England V India ***Clash of the Heavyweights*** Test, T20 and ODI Series

England V India Clash of the Heavyweights Test, T20 and ODI Series