Englands World Cup Failure

I still think one of the biggest issues we have is the blunt refusal/inability to see mistakes we make when we win.

All the way through the qualifying they were pulling out dodgy performances against poor teams but because they were scraping wins no one felt the need to criticise and improve.

Same happened with Slovenia. They played better than vs Algeria but by no means well and you have people like Harry Redknapp commenting 'there wasn't a weakness in the team' when there very very clearly were many weaknesses. If we had addressed these we may not have been humiliated by the Germans, merely lost with a bit of pride intact.

We haven't played a good game of football for a long time yet for some reason it has taken us until a humiliation at the World Cup to see it.

Redknapp would be an awful choice as manager - not only has he demonstrated his inept views several times during the last week with stupid comments like the one I quoted above, has he ever had success with a club where he hasn't bought in a load of players? We need the sort of manager who can use what he has and work the best out of them, not someone who has been through a string of jobs buying and selling their way to small successes because that management style doesn't apply to international football.
 
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Hodgson would be awesome, whether he wants to risk his own neck when he could go almost anywhere at the moment, doubt it.
 
I have just was told that a big story will be breaking on gerrard this weekend in one of the sunday papers about getting some young tart in the club. You heard anything about that Baz?

Can't be true, surely not we would have no captains left :D
 
dannyjo22 said:
I have just was told that a big story will be breaking on gerrard this weekend in one of the sunday papers about getting some young tart in the club. You heard anything about that Baz?

Can't be true, surely not we would have no captains left :D
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Heard about this 2 weeks ago.
 
I don't get it, if Capello says the reason we performed so badly was because the players were tired, what about all the other foreign players in the premiership who seem to be doing fine? Surely they would be tired too?
 
Tombstone said:
I don't get it, if Capello says the reason we performed so badly was because the players were tired, what about all the other foreign players in the premiership who seem to be doing fine? Surely they would be tired too?
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Which other players?

The french ones certainly looked tired :D

Which players from other teams doing well in the world cup that play in the EPL, can you name a few for me.

Thats not to say you aren't right, I'm just curious who they are :D
 
dannyjo22 said:
Cool, I imagine they held it off because they didn't want to upset the team, I heard she was rather young.
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Yep, I heard he got a court injunction thingy when it came out about Terry. They was going to put it in paper a week or so ago but of course that would have been stupid when they were still in the competition.

Apparently he got her pregnant or something?
 
dannyjo22 said:
Which other players?

The french ones certainly looked tired :D

Which players from other teams doing well in the world cup that play in the EPL, can you name a few for me.

Thats not to say you aren't right, I'm just curious who they are :D
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Mascherano has looked fine, agger, skrtel, kuyt. Just to name a few from just 1 premiership team. None of them have looked "tired" , I am sure there are several dozen other foreign internationals who play in the premiership who haven't looked tired.
 
Kenai said:
I still think one of the biggest issues we have is the blunt refusal/inability to see mistakes we make when we win.

All the way through the qualifying they were pulling out dodgy performances against poor teams but because they were scraping wins no one felt the need to criticise and improve.
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Every time England or Arsenal win and I dare to point out problems in the team I'm jumped on by EVERYONE England/arsenal fans aswell as fans of other clubs saying why can't I just enjoy it, it was a great performance etc, etc, etc.

I point out every time that if you don't work on the problems you made against crap teams, you'll get slaughtered by the first half decent team we come up against. Its a joke, at both club and international level if you've won 98% of the population goes into denial/we're gonna win a title mode and refuses to accept there were any problems with the performance.

The press, the fans, the players and the manager follow this pattern and it has failed to improve the team one iota. We need to be overly critical, in which, had the manager, press, fans, world been so Heskey wouldn't have gone to the world cup, Lampard/Gerrard would never start a game together, we'd have spotted the lack of confidence by any keeper in the past 2 years, and the list goes on.

This is all ignoring the fact that the manager picks the team, and he picked the wrong team, quite significantly wrong, half the squad can't play together, 1/4 of the squad at least should never have gone to SA and half the really good players in the league who just aren't popular enough weren't given any real chances.

Bent and Ashley Young 20 minutes here or there, in an England F team with 1 or maybe 2 "starters" .

Friendlies wasted handing out caps the press think you should or the FA/managers are urging you to give a run out.

Capello is weak, didn't stick by his word at all, which clearly lost a lot of belief/faith in the squad.

SEriously whose played a team game at school, at the park, anywhere, where you get unlucky and stuck with the "crap" team where you literally know you'll lose, and you just can't play as well.

The whole squad simply played as if they knew a team with Heskey, Barry, Johnson, SWP and Lampard/Gerrard on the field at the same time could not ever win. There wasn't any belief in the squad we could win, a daily pointless press conference where random player to draw the short straw has to go out and parrot a line about their chances to win the cup doesn't equal belief.

They all played as if the team was an embarassement and there wasn't a chance of a good outcome.

As for this absolute rubbish that is the fitness talk, that doesn't explain how they've played the same for 8 years, in qualifiers, in different competitions, at the start of a season with a long summer break, or at the end of a long hard season, they play the same crap football and fitness is another excuse in a long line of excuses.

We need a manager who doesn't want or need to make excuses.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I have just was told that a big story will be breaking on gerrard this weekend in one of the sunday papers about getting some young tart in the club. You heard anything about that Baz?

Can't be true, surely not we would have no captains left :D
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I've heard lots of things (think I've mentioned them here but can't remember). There are a few consistent independences though: apparently she's from Huyton (area around here); she was 15 or 16 at the time; the child she bore is actually being raised as his second own. All gossip though so who knows, but with our current England squad..well, it wouldn't surprise me one bit with the bunch of idiot chavs that are on their way home now.

What's known to be beyond gossip though is that his marriage is really just a front. They've both slept around a lot. It kind of adds to the fact he's probably not a very happy person. He's been threatened about leaving Liverpool FC I think as at one point he really wanted to go.
 
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Greenlizard0 said:
What's really known as beyond gossip though is that his marriage is really just a front. They've both slept around a lot.
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That wouldn't surprise me at all, they never look particularly happy when you see them together and she has got progressively more and more wag-like over the last few years (ironic as she made such a big deal out of her dislike for wags originally)
 
As I see it there are several factors which have contributed to this debacle - apologies if someones already said it-:

1 - Media/Pundits. They continually hype up these players before major tournaments, raising everyone's level of expectation and probadly making the players think they're much better than they are.

2 - The Players. Tournament after Tournament they fail to deliver. Beckenbauer was right. They can only hit and run - they are second rate regarding technical ability, movement and tactics.

3 - The Manager. Madness to nulify Gerrard by playing him out of position and by using both him and Lampard who have never played well together.

4 - Loss of form by key players. Roy Keane was on TV and made some good points about key players having a poor finish to the end of the season. Gerrard off the boil compared to previous seasons. Terry being exposed a few times at the seasons end. Upson playing for a team that just avoided relegation. Rooney carrying an injury, Lennon/Barry just back from injury, King's dodgy knees, Ferdinands baxk etc.

Surely it says it all when about the national game and Englands depth of talent when he turns to Scholes and Carragher who are well past their best.
 
Tombstone said:
Mascherano has looked fine, agger, skrtel, kuyt. Just to name a few from just 1 premiership team. None of them have looked "tired" , I am sure there are several dozen other foreign internationals who play in the premiership who haven't looked tired.
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Mascherano played a lot of games 45, agger 35, skrtel 26, kuyts played a lot of games, i guess it also makes a difference how many games where starts and how many as sub but I doubt any of them started as many games as the chelsea and Manu players which have been or should have been the heart of our side.
 
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