Englands World Cup Failure

I dunno what u people expected but i saw this coming ages ago. I find it kinda funny, with all the stupid car flags and the cocky newspaper headlines, to go and lose 4-1 to the Germans was just great.

I'm not a fan of the football and don't support any teams but they looked like they didnt care, no drive or determination. I guess most of them was just looking forward to getting back to their money grabbing slapper wives and their 100k per week jobs.
roll on the rugby world cup.
 
Post I made in the other WC thread, on how you can't say it's not Capello's fault.

Capello is responsible for motivating the team and playing the team to their strengths.

He's also responsible to getting the best out of the players and the team that he has available.

Leaving Matthew Upson on, who yes may have scored a goal but oterwise had a torrid time. Taking off Jermain Defoe, who was arguably one of England's best players today, and replacing him with Emile Heksey when you need goals is an absolutely ridiculous decision.

Heskey last scored for England against Kazakhstan in 2009 and got a whopping 3 goals for Villa in over 30 games last season.

He took off Johnson, who made some sloppy mistakes but put on Wright-Phillips with 5 minutes to go, and played him as a Right Wing Back.

My personal feelings of Peter Crouch aside, he's been prolific for England and Defoe always looks lively when he plays.

If Rooney is having a shocking tournament, and his form is terrible... you replace him. Wayne may be the best forward in the Premier League right now but if he's out of form... you only have a handful of games to get going in the World Cup.... you cannot waste it.

Capello made awful decisions during the World Cup. The team played crap, no doubt about it... but Capello certainly didn't help.
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The reason why England failed at this world cup lies at the feet of the manager and then the players, the reasons why England consistently fail on the big stage go a lot deeper.

World Cup Capello made the biggest mistake by dropping Robert Green after the USA game because straight away it sends the message that if you fail you are out. Fear of failure stifled the squad. Fear of failure, or responsibility on the field was amplified on the match today with nobody and I mean nobody pressing the Germans anywhere on the pitch this afternoon.

The other problem we have is that he is scared of dropping players with big reputations. Gerrard, Lampard, Barry, Rooney, all had stinkers in equal measure this world cup and you can bet those were the first names on the team sheet.

Tactically where did it go wrong ?? In qualification England played with width and pace and dictated the tempo yet we saw none of that from pretty much the same group of players. Everyone said that the Slovenia game was the turning point yet we still saw defenders uncomfortable on the ball, hoofing it up without taking a touch.

The team should always be greater than the sum of its parts but we saw none of it in South Africa.

Long Term The FA are too focused on being a money making unit than focusing on getting funds into grass roots football. Getting players into the model of developing skills and using the skills in an environment where the result isn't the be all and end all.

This is a big beef I have, as I look after two kids football teams, the FA do next to nothing for playing facilities or coach education. My next coaching badge would be a LVL2 coach which would take me onto a UEFA B class, yet in order to do this, I have to take a weeks Holiday now in order to complete it, rather than doing the weekend courses. So straight away they have stopped potential and enthusiastic coaches getting better skills to teach the kids.

If England want to do well at the world cup and as a footballing nation then they must invest a lot more into coaching resources and facilities, In winter, I get the kids for an hour a week indoors if I am lucky as the cost of the all weather pitches (stood empty) are too prohbitive. You compare that to any other nation in Europe or South America, and I can assure you kids of a similar age are playing football for a lot longer.

When kids are only focused on the result they develop skills based an athleticism, hitting the ball for as long and as hard as they can or tackling as hard as they can. They don't develop a full skill set to be able to attack and defend and be creative and take chances as part of their overall game. Instead we still have coaches who make wingers because they are fast, defenders because they are big or forwards because they have the hardest shot.
 
-Lack of changes to tactics, players, formation etc.
-Playing players out of position.
-Capello going against his word to pick players in form during this years football season.
-The Premier League needs a month's break like the German league get's and other leagues to refresh the players.
-Technology needs to be integrated.
-England are too slow, a lot of the players need to do some HIIT to increase speed, they're holding too much muscle/weight and are getting out runned.
-The Media needs to stop putting pressure on our players, it really doesn't help them when you're putting a nation on their shoulders, it will just weigh them down.
-I was watching Englands training sessions on the FA website, what has a game of handball got to do with football?
-We're typically English.
 
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1:) Below average players.

2) Poor squad selection

3) Manager cannot speak English

4) Rubbish team selections

5) Lack of striking ability.

6) Tired, old fashioned formation

7) No Left sided midfielder.
 
nikebee said:
Post I made in the other WC thread, on how you can't say it's not Capello's fault.
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He was certainly partly to blame but you can't lay it all at his door.

This is the WC- what motivation is required? It's his job to get them in the right frame of mind- it does look like he failed at that.

The defensive mistakes were basic. Terry is a great defender but he was shocking today. I somehow doubt that Capello coached him to misread a goal kick by 5-6 yards.

I think a big problem is that the English game isn't really suited to the international game. England has produced 1 world class traditional midfielder in the last ~15 years-Scholes. Most top cup teams have a player that can sit in the middle of the park and spread the ball around controlling the tempo- england don't have that.
 
Our problems are ultimately a lack of depth and the system we're playing.

It's all good and well saying Rooney, Lampard etc should have been dropped but who are you going to replace them with? Crouch and Carrick? It's simply not going to happen because they're not good enough. With everybody fit and in the right system, we could put out an 11 that can compete at the highest level. However if a few key players aren't performing (Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand and Cole) then we haven't got the players to come in. It's a sad state of affairs when we're picking players just to make up the 23 and have no chance of ever making it on the pitch.

The system has been Capello's biggest failure; we've more or less played the same way ever since he took charge; Barry and Lampard in the middle, Gerrard 'from the left' and Rooney off Heskey. Very rarely has this system worked and more often than not we've looked very average with the final result (often against weak sides) masking our deficiencies. Barry's not naturally a defensive midfielder, Gerrard's not a natural left sided player and Heskey's not a footballer.

Other than a fluke win against the Germans (where we played very poorly) and some how managing to pinch a draw vs the Dutch, whenever we've came up against a decent side we've been played off the pitch. It's nigh on impossible to play a flat 4-4-2 these days nor does it suit the players we have available. Capello continued to fail to address this and with under-performing players (which we can't ignore), we've been shown up.
 
Capello and a bunch of over pampered ego's that only like a manager when he does what they want. Sorry i wasn't surprised we lost to germany today but how we lost was completely embarassing and made us look worse then a sunday league outfit at least those lads go out and give their all. Capello's interview after the match was comedy gold and that's all it was the guy has to go and so do most of those so called player's that had as much passion for their country this afternoon as your average breeze block.
 
YorkshirePadd26 said:
Rooney hasn't looked at all like he wants to be there nor does he look fit.
Crap formation hasn't helped at all either.
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Agreed. He didn't celebrate England's goal at all. This is in complete contrast to at Man U. Hell,he didn't even get one booking in 4 games. He looked completely disillusioned.
 
Because England are not good enough at this level. Simple as that.

Becuase plenty of English players live in a delusion of grandeur. So do English pundits and fans. Well, it seems at least the fans are starting to wake up from the EPL dream.

England are:

Not technically equipped enough.
Painstakingly slow.
Primadonnas with a dismal work ethic.

I laughed my socks of at Stuart Baxter who is a pundit on Swedish TV.
He actually made excuses instead of rightly admitting England are shiiiite.
Best one was when he claimed Barry got wrong footed and was not able to recover on the fourth goal, when as the replay so clearly shows it, he simply is a too slow player and got beaten like an amateur, like most of the English side today. Infact, all games England looked like amateurs. They only beat Algeria due to the lack of organisation and tactics. Even Algeria are more technically savvy...

I'm afraid it will take a very long time until England are competetive on the highest level again.
I firmly stand by my arguments much of the blame is on the inflated EPL.

And finally, yes Fabio made some baffling decisions.
 
We are slow with movement and passing in midfield, there was no sharpness in a counter attack.

Is that formation? tactics.. or simply that our midfield players aren't good enough or can't play together.

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How long has the Lampard Gerrard thing raged on and still the balance is never right in our midfield.
 
simulatorman said:
So why did we fail?
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Because the players aren't good enough, simple as.

All efforts now should be focused on bringing through the likes of Wilshire & Rodwell into the first team

Relying on a 34 year old Lampard & Gerrard in the next world cup is even worse than relying on them now
 
Failed for much in the same reason it'll be the same in 4 years time.

The premier league will still be king, image rights will still be at the center of most of the squads contracts, they'll be over 200k a week.... and we'll love them week in week out for it.

Then ofcourse those we worship will conquer the world (again)
 
The biggest problem atm is that we have 2 key areas in which we are very weak:

1 - Goalkeeper - no English keeper is actually world class, some are decent, some may improve with age... but ever since we lost Seaman we have lacked the goalkeeping bloodline that seemed to be there for generations with Shilton, Clemence etc before him.

2 - Consistent Goalscorer - OK Lineker and Shearer had their baron patches, but both were scorers and could do it when needed in a tournament. OK Rooney has hit 30 for United and scores 3 or 4 against Andorra and Estonia when we need to qualify... but where are our Goalscorers in the big tournaments?

Look at Germany; Podolski and Klose scored what 8/9 league goals this year between them for whatever reason... this World Cup im sure they have already notched 5/6 together.. we as a team hit 3, a midfielder, a backup centre half and a solitary effort from Defoe.

At the end of the day you dont need 11 world class players to win a World Cup. You just need the key areas covered. A good goalie improves the defence ten-fold, as their confidence is already in place. A decently constructed midfield consisting of top flight footballers playing in their correct positions will be good enough.... then all you need is someone who can find the net, who is always looking to hit the net.

Easy to talk/write about it, but England is in a slump atm... same with Italy and possibly France (although coaching is their main problem not the talent pool). Players will come through again, we just need to make sure that the platform is there for them to play in the Premier League on a consistent basis, the better ones will gain more experience in Champions League football etc, the others will just enhance their game domestically (just like the bulk of the German squad have).
 
England are ranked 8th in the world, so they technically should have been aiming for the quarter finals based on that position.

Germany however are ranked 6th, going by the rankings, England went out when they should, their failure to do better in the group stages probably prohibiting them from making it to their rightful exit spot in the quarters.
 
Lack of discipline and lack of confidence. As soon as we go a goal down you see heads drop and all enthusiasm disappear. There's just no spirit there.

We got a lesson from Fritz today on how to play as a team and stay disciplined.
 
1/ I suspect there is some resentment between the players and have for some time.
2/ I suspect some of the players don't like the fact Fabio has tried to manage them and have gone crying to the FA to pressure him.
3/ Fabio is playing the players out of their usual formation.
4/ Too many good players who are very samey and want to occupy the same space - forwards who want to drop off - wide players who want to come inside - DM midfields who want to come forward - all end up wanting to occupy the same space.
5/ No width
6/ No creative spark
6/ etc etc I could go on all night but can not be bothered
 
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