Englands World Cup Failure
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Just going to say that now that England are out of the WC...i just hope they stop with the godawful adverts for team England ie the Sun with Venables singing a stupid song...kit kat with their keep your fingers crossed...that didnt work, Carlsberg with their teamtalk ad and last but not least...the worst WC ad Mars bar and John Barnes and their utterly idiotic singing for England...
The seemingly unbothered look on gerrards and terrys faces in those little interview clips on the bbc sums them up they just don't care.
Looked like they just got knocked out of the coca cola cup to them the world cup isn't even important.
Heads need to roll at the FA we need younger people in there with fresh ideas with regards to youth policy and funding.
To be fair trevor brooking has been calling for it for a long long long long time and nothing has been done properly or whole heartedly.
Looked like they just got knocked out of the coca cola cup to them the world cup isn't even important.
Heads need to roll at the FA we need younger people in there with fresh ideas with regards to youth policy and funding.
To be fair trevor brooking has been calling for it for a long long long long time and nothing has been done properly or whole heartedly.
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Many will blame management, some will have ideas on how formations should have been played out and some (more accurately) will concede England lack talent on an individual basis.
Imagination and genius on the pitch are usually spontanious. Something I didn't see out there from the men in red. Something the manager can't be held responsible for.
Imagination and genius on the pitch are usually spontanious. Something I didn't see out there from the men in red. Something the manager can't be held responsible for.
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Not very useful, though I keep hearing Rodwell is expected by many to end up a defender of some sort, all the players you listed are attacking midfielders, infact, the massive majority of half decent english youngsters, and every "youngster" in the current squad is an attacking midfielder of some description or a defender who can't play the ball. We've no defensive midfielders in the current squad and the biggest problem with the current squad is that 3 attacking central midfielders + one winger, doesn't work, has never worked, has never worked for any team ever and never will work.
Well I'll be more precise, it could work if someones good at both tracking runs into the box and attacking, but first and foremost you need someone defensive and someone offensive in central midfield. If you have a manager who picks the next generation of players and still picks only attacking midfielders/wingers and ignores the defensive midfielder position then they'll be exactly as bad.
Lampards age has NOTHING to do with how we did, and at 34(is he 30 now, I forget) he'll be fine to play in the next world cup and if he's still good in 4 years he should be in the squad.
This year has been the year of randomly, with absolutely no reason, writing off everyone over the age of 30 instantly without a single reason as to why.
Age has literally not a single thing to do with how good a player is, there are players over 30 who are better, fitter and faster than some players under 20.
This is where England faulter, this year the random, plucked from no where ridiculous game logic was........ Heskey makes Rooney play better. This was proven never, ever, in any game, ever, yet became fact because people said it a lot, it was a ridiculously poor decision.
Age being an issue is another thing that became "fact" this year because people said it a lot but didn't infact ever come up with a reasonable argument as to why.
The wrong squad was taken to the world cup, with no balance and no sanity with too many flavour of the month players taken with many consistant for many years players ignored completely.
We can take the wrong young squad(and most likely will).
We, as a country, need to stop making stupid excuses, fix this ridiculous excuse we came up with then act suprised when the fix didn't work while wasting 4 years, and millions on a stupid manager in the meantime.
Age is not the issue, and if we decide to just take a young squad next time out, we'll fail again.
There were decent Italians out there in the team, theres older Argies in the squad performing brilliantly, couple older Germans who played fantastically well, Senna and Xavi aren't young, Senna especially yet was absolutely superb at the Euro's. Blanco, at 37 I think scored a decent goal and has created a lot of smart passing for the Mexicans. Brazil have Gilberto Silva, Lucio as two of their best, most consistant, old and long serving, both multiple title winning experienced brilliant players.
Age is not an issue.
We went out because our players are slow, their first touch is poor and their passing is abysmal. As for all this talk about whether Lampard's goal being allowed would have changed the game, that's just idle speculation. No one can possibly know what would have happened. The Germans might have upped their game further and taken it to 5-2 for all any of us know. You could just as well say that we'd have won if we were wearing our third kit.
Anyone on here saying it would have been a different game if it was 2-2 at half time is talking nonsense imo. England could have let in 7 - 8 goals easy today if Germany fancied it and James didn't pull-off numerous good saves.
You know its poor when England best player in the last 2 games has been David "Calamity" James.
England team needs to not only put more faith in younger players and develop them but also not play players purely on Name rather than performances.
You know its poor when England best player in the last 2 games has been David "Calamity" James.
England team needs to not only put more faith in younger players and develop them but also not play players purely on Name rather than performances.
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no because at 2-1 we had a different mindset, if you rewatch the 3rd goal in the commentary just before germany break away - terry is mentioned for being in the box or far up anyway...
no way we would be pushing that hard if we were level as opposed to behind...
the real problems that we see are:
Midfield too slow - Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, X other are all really slow. look at any decent premiership midfield, they have 1 of those slow players and then the rest are fast attacking players around them,
bad touch - bad technique? bad ball? lack of ability? i dont know but every england player seemed to have lead feet - but not in a stinging 30 yarder way. the ball just bounced off our players instead of being taken in.
bad passing - long ball hoofage? yes accurate? no because upson is doing it.. if you really have to play 3x slow midfielders they should be good enough to coset the ball and make a pass, watch Xavi, keane, scholes, etc... be neat, compact and move the play from the defence to the attack... not just stand in the middle and get cut out of the game hoping for a bad defensive header away to pick up on.
crossing - the post beckham era looks grim. no decent crosses, but even worse when there is no one really to cross to... both strikers very small and would require a fluke bit of luck to outjump/outhead the german defenders.
i could go on, but i have work tomorrow so ill leave it there
no way we would be pushing that hard if we were level as opposed to behind...
the real problems that we see are:
Midfield too slow - Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, X other are all really slow. look at any decent premiership midfield, they have 1 of those slow players and then the rest are fast attacking players around them,
bad touch - bad technique? bad ball? lack of ability? i dont know but every england player seemed to have lead feet - but not in a stinging 30 yarder way. the ball just bounced off our players instead of being taken in.
bad passing - long ball hoofage? yes accurate? no because upson is doing it.. if you really have to play 3x slow midfielders they should be good enough to coset the ball and make a pass, watch Xavi, keane, scholes, etc... be neat, compact and move the play from the defence to the attack... not just stand in the middle and get cut out of the game hoping for a bad defensive header away to pick up on.
crossing - the post beckham era looks grim. no decent crosses, but even worse when there is no one really to cross to... both strikers very small and would require a fluke bit of luck to outjump/outhead the german defenders.
i could go on, but i have work tomorrow so ill leave it there
If anyone watched Adam Johnson play before the World Cup ni the Friendly he got given a chance in, you can see he is a fantastic cross / passer off the ball but instead we took speedy RW's with no Crossing ability.
Not really...we actually had more shots. 1 that hit the bar, 1 that was a goal that didn't count and one from Gerrard that forced the German keeper into a great save. We even had more possession!
After watching the highlights and calming down, it's the defense (Upson and Terry) that has let us down today. I think the midfield did a reasonable job. The Germans absolutely destroyed us on the counter and they were clinical in the final third. I think the Germans were decent but not as brilliant as people are claiming.
To be honest I felt as if the team aside from Upson, Terry, Rooney and Barry did a decent job. Our defense was just an absolute shambles today, I mean WHAT THE HELL was Upson doing on the wrong side of the pitch when that ball came over the top for the first goal...
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Gustov...where do I start.
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also to note, when you are 3-1 down, i dont think bringing emile heskey on is a good idea. he has no goalscoring pedigree from club (like pod and klose) OR (importantly) country...i mean what message does that send? we are here to play time out?
I'm not defending the performance, the Germans were more professional, clinical and disciplined. But honestly, if Rio or Ledley was alongside Terry (who played like **** today) I think the result could have been different. I genuinely believe Terry's terrible performance was predominately due to playing with a CB who was CONSTANTLY going out of position. For the second goal Terry was foolish to commit himself (even though Upson was even more foolish for standing next to Ashley Cole rather than in his CB position)
Gonna put it out there and say Gareth Barry can't play DM to save his life.
Did James really pull off numerous exceptional saves? I can only remember one...
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Gerrard, Beckham, Joe Cole, Owen and a few others always strike me as the ones who REALLY love playing for England
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Owen's a definite. He'd **** anyone over to play for England again.