To be fair what other manager of a so called top team could go 5/6 years without wining anything and get away with it?
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To be fair what other manager of a so called top team could go 5/6 years without wining anything and get away with it?
How many of the other managers are working hard to make sure everything is in place for the next manager?
That's right, none of them.
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If you've ever read any of his previous posts then you'll realise how silly you sound.
What other top team just built a £300m stadium is surely the pertinent question? Also, having to compete with Chelsea (£200m+ squad) and Man Utd at the same time? Think about it :/. Arsenal have made a profit on transfers since the Emirates arrived, do you realise how immensely difficult that is to do in the Premier League, never mind to stay within touching distance of the top. As depressing as it is, money rules football, whoever spends the most wins, and Chelsea spent it like it was going out of fashion and Man Utd have thrown plenty around recently too, they have a MASSIVE head start on Arsenal.
Why are football fans so short term? 4 or 5 years in a 100 year+ history? Is it really a big deal? It could have been far far far far worse on and off the field. The whole 'you haven't won anything for 5 years' is so tired, lazy and boring. Can't wait for Arsenal to win the CC just so the repetitive bores find something else to hate about, this one has seriously run it's course
Why are football fans so short term? 4 or 5 years in a 100 year+ history? Is it really a big deal? It could have been far far far far worse on and off the field. The whole 'you haven't won anything for 5 years' is so tired, lazy and boring. Can't wait for Arsenal to win the CC just so the repetitive bores find something else to hate about, this one has seriously run it's course
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It is when they just built a brand new stadium, yes.
It isn't something Ferguson has had to manage through, for example. He will be leaving a truly outstanding financial platform for the next manager to build upon. He should be credited for looking to Arsenals future, and not about his "glory".
Im sorry but DM does have a point about Wenger...not sure if he should go but honestly its been glaringly obvious the past few seasons that our GK situation is beyond a bloody joke and yet he DOES not do anything about it??. He says he has no issue spending £20mill+ on a GK so why the heck doesnt he just get a top class GK keeper in...he was so pig headed about Schwarzer over a paltry £4mill...sure the guy is 37 but at least for a season or 2 he could have done a good job for us but instead we have 2 inept monkeys are our 1 and 2 GK's.
Ive heard all sorts of excuses from our GK's to our defence...well its no surprise that having a rubbish GK aka Hellmunia and Flappyhandski is going to put immense amount of pressure on the defence so much so that if the defence makes a mistake then the other team will score.
Im dreading this weekends game against Chelski...we are going to get absolutely battered and i wouldnt be surprised if we end up losing our next CL game against Belgrade.
Id love to win one trophy just one but i cant see it happening until we get a world class GK.
Ive heard all sorts of excuses from our GK's to our defence...well its no surprise that having a rubbish GK aka Hellmunia and Flappyhandski is going to put immense amount of pressure on the defence so much so that if the defence makes a mistake then the other team will score.
Im dreading this weekends game against Chelski...we are going to get absolutely battered and i wouldnt be surprised if we end up losing our next CL game against Belgrade.
Id love to win one trophy just one but i cant see it happening until we get a world class GK.
This is one of the biggest problems at Arsenal since Arsene came to the club, massive expectation.
Now I wouldn't swap Arsenal or their history for the any other club in the world. In my opinion it is a club that is of the highest order and regard. What we have never been though is an incredibly consistent trophy winner decade on decade in comparison to a very small band of elite clubs.
After Chapman left for example we won something like 2-3 First Division titles in a 30 year span. Not exactly prolific. Before Arsene came, we had waited 7 years. Before Graham came something like 18 years. Before Arsene arrived we had won the FA Cup once since '79 and went on to win 4 of the next 7.
I honestly think that anyone who criticises Wenger for the lack of a trophy in the last 5 years knows nothing about the history of the club or has just decided to gloss over the facts because they have become used to winning things. They also fail to take into account that this is now the era of the mega rich owner, and so picking up a trophy is even harder than it was.
What he is doing at the club now is something quite special and the current setup will see the club alright for many years to come. Yes its a lean time and yes, we will have to put up with the occasional Diaby's, but there have been other longer, lean periods, even in recent history.
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I don't hold with this. Yes the defenders need to have confidence in who is behind them but on Saturday it was basic defensive errors that you shouldn't make even if there was no one in goal. It really is school-boy stuff.
He should have kept the second goal out and then you could argue that we would have gotten back in it. At that point though the team still hadn't reacted to going a goal down and it was inevitable that we were going to concede again either way.
Its a shame Super Nas and Theo have had a period out injured. They were responsible for our pre-season and early season form and drive.
I haven't the slightest idea of the history of Arsenal which is why I was more enquiring opposed to criticising. It does just seem to anyone who doesn't follow Arsenal that they should perhaps be grabbing something here or there. Though perhaps that's as you say, more to do with the expectation than the reality.
Yeah sorry I wasn't talking about yourself specifically with regards to criticising.
I think apart from 3 prolific periods, picking up a trophy here and there is a good description. 5 years isn't really that long a time in the grand scheme of things.
Indeed it isn't. Anyone know of any good online streams for the match tonight? Wouldn't mind giving it a ganders.
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So it was Almunia's fault that we couldn't score until the final ten minutes? It was Almunia's fault that the defence were so poor? It's Almunia's fault that pass after pass went to West Brom players? No, of course it isn't you are just looking for a scapegoat. Almunia injured his elbow saving the penalty and after that he was visibly affected in his saving, which is probably why the weak shot went past him. I don't see how you can criticize when at several points last season we were in a position to win the league, Fabianski ruined that with his errors at Wigan, not Almunia. Nobody is saying Almunia is gods gift, because he blows hot and cold, but he's not as shocking as most people make out, and in fact the defence should never have even allowed that shot at the near post to be taken, the same as they should have allowed the two balls to just slowly trickle across the box for a West Brom player to tap in.
Also, any point you may have had was lost when you suggested we bring Schwarzer in, he's been terrible so far and that would have been £4,000,000 spunked away needlessly.
5 years of being there or thereabouts != 5 years of trophy-less mid-table obscurity.
I'm quite happy for Wenger to stay because we've never significantly underperformed with him. Sure, we've not won anything for a few seasons, but we've hardly been terrible. Were we to royally **** up and finish 7th, get knocked out of the League Cup by a lower league side, and have a boatload of average wage-hogging players on our books, then I'd wor... oh.
I'm quite happy for Wenger to stay because we've never significantly underperformed with him. Sure, we've not won anything for a few seasons, but we've hardly been terrible. Were we to royally **** up and finish 7th, get knocked out of the League Cup by a lower league side, and have a boatload of average wage-hogging players on our books, then I'd wor... oh.
You may be right, but they were 4 points off the title in 07/08, got to a CL final, weren't miles away from the league for most of last season (until the injury crisis). With a few things going slightly differently they would have grabbed the occasional trophy recently. That's the way it is though, ultra competitive field, very difficult to win at the minute.
Also, tonight's game won't be that great, but my p2p and google search will help you.
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Well that's balls
Fergie is always talking about not wanting to leave United without having good foundations in place for the next manager
Regardless of that Fabregas will be gone next summer so what exactly is Wenger doing that will help the next manager out? All the experience players will not only be older than they are now but will also be more than likely wanting to leave for somewhere that will actually win trophies and the younger players like Wilshire who's to say if they'll even make it at the top level?
- A fantastic state-of-the-art stadium.
- A healthy, largely debt-free club.
- A brilliant youth system that's the envy of most of the world.
- A squad capable of consistently challenging for the CL spots, if not the title.
- Some incredibly talented young players.
- Not being Tottenham.
1/10 Tom, try harder with your trolling next time.