English League Football ** spoilers ** [2nd - 3rd October 2010]
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Bingo, tackling's an art which a lot of players, dare I say it English ones in particular have lost, a sign of poorer technical skills. It's not all about how much you have behind the ball, how fast you go in etc. etc.
Completely agree.
Even aside from that tackle, the refereeing in that game was a complete joke.
Obviously referees will never get every decision right, but surely the FA has enough money to train them so that they at least improve a little.
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I said this a while ago with Zamora's tackle, a few years ago, probably 4-5 or more now, they was a BIG crackdown on the scissor style tackles, they are insanely dangerous, as someones falling if you bring another leg around and prevent one end of the leg from being able to follow the other than the leg snaps.
We've seen hundreds of those brutal one footed stamp type tackles, Gerrard used to do a dozen a season, I think back years to that Boateng one he put his full weight in, Boatengs foot was planted, you see his leg bend, but no brake. The scissor style follow through consistantly hurts players, breaks legs far more often than any other type of tackle but even when its not a break, twisted ankles, knee's, muscle strains as the body can't "fall" as its supposed to.
For years bringing the other leg around was a plain and simple yellow card, its dangerous, reckless and stupid, one leg, the other leg trailing you, also when you tackle like that its very hard to jump as high in the air or as fast/recklessly as having one leg behind and landing on it makes the tackler more away of his own safety.
I have no idea why in the past couple years "scissor" tackling has become almost standard and incredibly often injures players with limited or no punishment. The reckless part of the challenge from De Jong was the following leg, without it Arfa goes down, his leg follows his body, its a hard hit, a foul but nothing more, the following leg trapping his foot puts a HUGE amount of torque on the leg and snaps the bone, scissor tackles need to be heavily punished constantly, and consistantly, until people stop doing it again.
De Jong is good, he started off a LOT less recklessly than he's been in the past 6 months, but frankly, the whole league and all players in general are getting away with more and more in the past year, its becoming a joke.
We've seen hundreds of those brutal one footed stamp type tackles, Gerrard used to do a dozen a season, I think back years to that Boateng one he put his full weight in, Boatengs foot was planted, you see his leg bend, but no brake. The scissor style follow through consistantly hurts players, breaks legs far more often than any other type of tackle but even when its not a break, twisted ankles, knee's, muscle strains as the body can't "fall" as its supposed to.
For years bringing the other leg around was a plain and simple yellow card, its dangerous, reckless and stupid, one leg, the other leg trailing you, also when you tackle like that its very hard to jump as high in the air or as fast/recklessly as having one leg behind and landing on it makes the tackler more away of his own safety.
I have no idea why in the past couple years "scissor" tackling has become almost standard and incredibly often injures players with limited or no punishment. The reckless part of the challenge from De Jong was the following leg, without it Arfa goes down, his leg follows his body, its a hard hit, a foul but nothing more, the following leg trapping his foot puts a HUGE amount of torque on the leg and snaps the bone, scissor tackles need to be heavily punished constantly, and consistantly, until people stop doing it again.
De Jong is good, he started off a LOT less recklessly than he's been in the past 6 months, but frankly, the whole league and all players in general are getting away with more and more in the past year, its becoming a joke.
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!! i didnt realise that ronaldinho was a nufter. it looks like he is still trying to dry his nails out there.
The Dutch public really want to shake the image that De Jong and Van Bommel gave in the WC Final that they're a dirty side, they abhor that type of football
Who was the West Ham/Belgian player in an incident you've imagined then? He was elbowed in the jaw by Adebayor when we dumped them out of the FA cup last year, it was probably one of the games following that (when we played Man City 3 times in 10 days!)
The manager and chairman have been demanding an apology from Wenger for making incidents up and personally attacking a professional in a slanderous way, nothing has been said of the Ramsey accident since the day, maybe you should start reading unbiased sources? Just a tip.
If you want to point a finger at a centre back getting away with murder, maybe start name calling John Terry or Vidic, its a genuine skill the number of incidents they get away.
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its not skill, its profile.
In short, no. He's not close to the form he was in a few years ago, where imho, he was the best player in the World (pre Messi).
He's still bloody good though
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Terry or Vidic? Haha!
How often do they cause someone a bad injury, break peoples legs or do directly dirty things? Not very often at all.
Its a weekly occurence for your 'Gutter-football' teams like Stoke and Wolves.
Stop trying to defend it, as you cant
Terry or Vidic? Haha!
How often do they cause someone a bad injury, break peoples legs or do directly dirty things? Not very often at all.
Its a weekly occurence for your 'Gutter-football' teams like Stoke and Wolves.
Stop trying to defend it, as you cant
Well said...again absolutely hilarious the stuff spunj99 comes out with.
At least with Terry and Vidic they have proper tackling skills compared to the recklessness of certain other defenders
.Awesome goal by Pirlo though...sublime.
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I'm making things up? 'The W Ham/Belgian player in an incident [I've] imagined' is not, as your poor attempt to change what I've said one thing, but two separate incidents:
Belgium.
W Ham. The Beeb's blurb is rather kind to Shawcross there, I saw the game live it certainly was not a raised arm -> player screams and falls down thing. This was a thump.
For two incidents my good man, you get one more free:
Francis Jeffers. Note the length of time he therefore sat out. Edit - Just in case you choose to search at the bottom of a barrel and claim it's biased, here's a newspaper from Stoke. The latter also suggests that Shawcross may have acted out in frustration as well. Just like in the game with Ramsey he was involved near half time with Cesc. Hmm..
Comparing what Shawcross has done in his few years compared to Terry and Vidic has made you and the notion you suggest utterly laughable.
Something else funny as well. I don't remember Adebayor elbowing him in the face, we played you in last year's FA Cup defeat (3-1 at yours). Adebayor had long been sold to City by then. I believe you may have imagined that, or more likely as I suspect coming out with utter bull in a failing and futile attempt to defend your player's reputation. Nothing's been made up by Arsenal, their fans, or Wenger.
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I'm talking about Man City Adebayor, can't you read? :s
The fact you were sad enough to track down YouTube videos (a very reputable source for opinions and totally in-context video clips, honest) proves you've got a serious problem, is it actually a case you're in love with big Ryan and can't get him off your mind?
He was on loan from Utd during that 06-07(?) season, so everything he learnt was from the biggest club in the world.
I was at the game where Cesc lunged at Danny Pugh with a 2 footed scissor tackle from behind, with feet high and got no card.
Top player.