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Doesn't show the whole story as it's only showing things that players were booked/punished for but...
English League Football ** spoilers ** [6th - 10th November 2010]
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So because a footballer is gifted and classed as "having a bit of flair" they too can run round and kick lumps out of people?
Case in point Cantona, he could be a right ******* at times on the pitch with some real nasty tackles and kicks off the ball, the John Moncur (sp?) stamp a perfect example.
It didn't make it right he did it though just because he's a Genius
was hoping for a Rafael headbutt last night to make the game at least watchable...
Yeah that would have ended well for him, being 12 and all
The trouble is, if a striker can't keep up with the pace in the Premiership, he simply doesn't score goals. If a defender can't, he risks injuring someone every time he misses a tackle.
The question, for me, has never been about being "that kind of player". Just because he's not Joey Barton, doesn't mean he shouldn't be punished for a bad tackle. The point is that by potentially giving out harsher punishments for high/dangerous fouls, you'd discourage all players from trying to do them, and thus reduce the number of injuries that seem to be mounting up these days.
I really don't understand why anyone would be against that.
Trouble is, I'm an Arsenal fan, so of course what I really mean is that our boys should be allowed to play tippy-tappy football without that mean Mr. Shawcross tackling like a real man and making us cry. Because when you can't attack the argument, attack the man, eh.
Good win for Arsenal last night...was relieved to come away with 3 pts and with United and City dropping points it made it slightly better...geez was that a borefest of a game...after 60 mins of it i just turned the tv off as it was painful to watch.
As for Fabregas tackle??...definitely was a horrendous tackle but fair play to him for apologising unlike a few other thugs that play the game. Dont think there was any malice in it ie seemed to me that he was trying to close down the ball etc but mis-timed it.
Anyhow im glad Arsenal are starting to toughen up...we need to play dirty against certain teams to get a result and its about time our defenders got that in their heads....funny how people in here and the media bitch that when we get rough we are dirty but yet when other teams do it to us...its part of the game
...the difference being is that none of our players have broken any other players legs to put them out for the season.
Hopefully we can bag another 3 pts this weekend against Everton and hope that Utd/Chelski start to drop points.
As for Fabregas tackle??...definitely was a horrendous tackle but fair play to him for apologising unlike a few other thugs that play the game
. Dont think there was any malice in it ie seemed to me that he was trying to close down the ball etc but mis-timed it.Anyhow im glad Arsenal are starting to toughen up...we need to play dirty against certain teams to get a result and its about time our defenders got that in their heads....funny how people in here and the media bitch that when we get rough we are dirty but yet when other teams do it to us...its part of the game
...the difference being is that none of our players have broken any other players legs to put them out for the season.Hopefully we can bag another 3 pts this weekend against Everton and hope that Utd/Chelski start to drop points.
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He shouldn't have picked up the 2nd yellow for the handball, he should have been sent off earlier though. He pulled Torres down when he was breaking into the box; possibly even worth a straight red but certainly a 2nd yellow.
Where did I say that it was acceptable to kick people if they have flair? What I mean is that the sole reason players like Henry are in their respective teams is to disrupt the other team with hard tackles - sometimes fair, sometimes dangerous.So because a footballer is gifted and classed as "having a bit of flair" they too can run round and kick lumps out of people?
Case in point Cantona, he could be a right ******* at times on the pitch with some real nasty tackles and kicks off the ball, the John Moncur (sp?) stamp a perfect example.
It didn't make it right he did it though just because he's a Genius
Cantona wasn't in the team to just kick people, he was all round awesome - so it's different.
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Not sure where that's directed but Henry apologised to Zamora and Murphy admitted that.
I understand what you're saying, but whether or not a footballers ability and purpose extends beyond knocking seven bells out of the opposition, if they have an attitude to make malicious challenges they shouldn't play, it's different, but it's barely any better. The only difference would be the frequency with which challenges occur, the more talented player obviously dividing his time between talent and stomping. Only takes one incident to potentially wreck another players career.
Thing is what's wrong with the current system to deal with this other than how it's implemented? If player a (who's only purpose is disruption), gets a 3 match ban, he's out. Is there anything whereby upon accumulating multiple 3 match bans you're subject to an even longer ban? Or is more strict retrospective action required?
One thing you could say about Cesc's challenge (and when other similar players make similar challenges) is that Cesc isn't a big dude. He's not a beast like De Jong, Alex, etc. Whilst a tackle from anyone can still be dangerous, we all know from physics that F = MA so the bigger the lump the more likely it is to cause damage.
Yup got it on. Read quite a bit about him when this happened.