English League Weekend Football 8-12th January *spoilers*
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That's an interesting take on your complaint of "Stupid Wenger won't buy a DM/Flamini keeps pushing up so now Fabregas plays too far back and isn't as good" from the last two seasons.
I honestly have no idea what your point is? Fabregas sits back when he needs to because he's an awesome player who does the job required of him. If we had a world class DM he'd be fowards more, and even better.
Considering Song hasn't put in a good performance against a single team whose pressured our midfield as happened today, how would it be any different. THe teams Denilson and Diaby are good against are the teams Song are good against, those who don't have good central midfielders. Song was crap against Hull last year, Fulham, any and every team thats pressed us. Its embarassing how much praise he gets for improving, by simply playing worse teams.
Plays terribly against say Chelsea each time is completely awful, is slated for being bad, doesn't play as badly in the next game against Pompie then all I hear is how much he's improved, play Chelsea again and you can't tell the difference between how bad he was before and this time. Play another crap team and people are lavishing praise on him again, play a good team, he goes missing. He's an incredibly poor player, if Fabregas didn't drop deep constantly throughout a game you'd notice this. Watch the next game he and Fabregas play and be honest with yourself about how many times Fabregas stays back while he randomly runs forwards for no reason.
Do try to also remember that against Villa, who most certainly didn't try and rush our midfield, he should without question have been sent off, a ridiculous cynical "flop" onto the back legs of a player, almost rugby tackle style was a yellow card in 99/100 times, and his pathetic dive, and he also dived another time in that game, aswell as another dozen fouls that should have got him booked for consistant fouling.
Everton weren't particular great today, nor bad, but they played vastly better than our last encounter which was shambolic everywhere on the pitch. But they still need Arteta and Jagielka back to push to be back in the top 6-7 in the league and I hope they do both come back from bad injuries strongly as both are great players.
Utd game was generally poor, with a few poor tackles going in. I can't honestly remember what the first yellow was for directly, but I don't think his sending off was harsh, the specific tackles he got a yellow after weren't terrible, but he was done for the whole multiple foul thing, one bad foul or a half dozen niggling crap ones, and while that last one wasn't bad it was stopping Jerome from breaking so could easily be judged as cynical.
Though as I say, most DM's get away with that many fouls each and every game often without a yellow so its harsh in that sense.
id say it was pretty serious if a player suddenly goes down! outside of a tackle
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Serious = imperative that player receives medical attention immediately. Largely only for head injuries.
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The rules are the rules but, so what, ref's werent' supposed to stop the game before unless it was serious, but players always used to put it out if they thought someone was hurt. The new way its supposed to be done was more to stop Drogba types flopping down out of nowhere and wasting 5 minutes than to stop someone who was clearly seriously hurt from getting attention. Thing is, if they could keep time properly, which is really the easiest job they have, any injury time should not effect the game at all anyway which would make time wasting worthless. Have it a flat 90 mins and stop the clock for everything, stop the clock the second the ball goes out for corners/goal kicks so no time wasting can happen there either, problem solved.
They were saying fair play to Cahill for putting it out, but only after the team had seen their chance come and go, but yes he still didn't have to.
Let me guess anyway, his back injury is back and its his second relapse, of a fractured back, is that something we should really be risking? Hope he's ok, if it is a relapse they really need to get it fixed and not rush him back.
Worth saying now that, Birmingham are turning into a pretty decent side, deserved to win at Pool without question, only lost to a complete dive in the dying seconds. Against Chelsea maybe deserved the 3 points though their dissallowed goal wasn't in the dying seconds so wouldn't certainly have won, but would probably have done so, and maybe should have got all 3 today. Has anyone else been so consistantly good against the "big" teams? Their run now is pretty damn astonishing and they've got money to strengthen.
Though in their run they've barely changed the starting 11 (same team in 8 or 9 of the run), so better players might not be as effective as such a practiced starting 11.
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they were crap today :/ The goal was pretty much the only meaningful time they touched the ball in the first half today. We had 70% possession or something ridiculous. Other than the goal I can think of maybe one chance they had, we were absolutely dire today, a 25% decent United side would have stuck 2 or 3 past them.
I can't comment as I didn't see the game but from the sounds of it Everton had a good game and Arsenal didn't have their flair. As long as we capitalise on the Bolton game, then I'm sure we can forgive and forget. It's only January - still a long way to go yet!
This.
If it's a serious injury or a head injury (which is serious
) he stops play. I was always taught to play until the whistle, Don't like this kicking the ball out **** either.
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Agreed, we didn't really have anyone to properly turn defense into attack. Fabregas should be back soon as well which will be great. We've got a really tough run of games coming up and if we can get through January and February with minimum points dropped then we stand a very good chance of winning the league in my opinion.
As for the match today, bit of a whimpering display from us really. We should have outclassed Everton but fair play to them they did well and closed us down very well. Luckily Rosicknote tucked that in even though it was deflected. I can't remember any scoring chances bar the 2 deflected goals and a couple of crosses into the box. Bendtner can't come back quick enough and I reckon we'll see Chamakh either this January or in the summer. Lollerpool have apparently talked to him as well, which Wenger said he was aware of and gave a little grin so I'm not sure what to make of that.
I doubt Bordeaux are going to let him walk away on a free in the summer if they have a chance to cash in on him. I wonder which Wenger will pick out of Chamakh and Gignac.
This.
If it's a serious injury or a head injury (which is serious
I was always taught to play until the whistle, Don't like this kicking the ball out **** either.
It's just a sporting thing to do. You see a player lying on the ground you kick the ball out for him to be properly seen to. Your opponents will give possession back to you anyway so I don't see why you'd be annoyed at it.
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Please dont start DM off again
I was pleased to see Ro"sicky" back and scoring. And although I only watched MOTD I thought Diaby still looked he had a good game running at players and tracking back. Good to see Denilson getting on the score sheet too. I know the first was deflected but he could easily of had another.
Although I am sure Mr Depression will say differently
Its a shame that we couldnt take advantage of our game in hand but well done to Brum for keeping Utd pegged back.
We are now getting to the crunch games of Villa, Man Utd, Chelski and Liverpool. This is either going to be a fantastic end to the month or a essay writing depressive one from DM.
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Because you don't any more, now it's supposed to be left to the referee. There was far too much lying around and then magically getting better when the ball was kicked out.
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Yeah I agree. Let the ref decide as thats his job. I think its funny when a player goes down then realises that the ref isnt going to stop the game and then suddenly jumps up to help his team.
We all know that this rule which was brought in, saying that the refs would choose when to stop play so the players wouldn't have to kick the ball out, hasn't been implemented properly/worked.
You still see teams all the time putting the ball out to be sporting while the ref does nothing. Everton should've stopped play when Denilson went down, especially considering the situation (i.e. no-one challenging him, in full control of the ball).
Arsenal and Wenger get slagged off all the time for not being sporting enough, when Moyes and Everton do it no-one seems to bat an eyelid.
Yesterday was because of his dedication to Scholes - who really doesnt look up for it anymore at all, personally thought we should have had Carrick as the "holding" midfielder with Fletcher and Anderson both of the latter would then have been able to support Rooney a lot more
the team also carried Park most of yesterday what a complete waste of space he was, even Obertan would have been better and he isnt
still completely upto pace with the EPL
I detest Clattenberg (sp) he always seems to penalise Utd more heavily than the team we are playing for the same kind of thing (like Fletcher's foul for the red was ridiculous in the extreme), conveniently missing handballs in the penalty area , corners given as goal kicks etc etc
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Arsenal did it in the game against Westham when we were losing. One of their players went down and Arsenal kicked it out and there was nothing wrong with the player who magically rubbed his leg and was all better.
Wenger was on the sidelines shouting at his own team for doing it lol
So yes it is sporting to kick the ball out IF the player IS injured, unfortuneately most of the time the other team AREN'T being sporting by faking injury to waste time. So why should they be SPORTING?
So let the ref decide.
You play until the ref stops play, non of this putting the ball out.
It's often used to try and give a team an advantage, i,e tackles > goes down, team put the ball out instead of counter attacking.
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There's a difference between a player staying down after a soft challenge whilst their team is being attacked and a player going down whilst his team is in possession without anybody near him. It is clear that something is wrong with that player in those circumstances and therefore Everton should have put the ball out.
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[ASSE]Hinchy;15702047 said:
Exactly. There are times it shouldn't really be kicked out, especially if it's the usual suspects that roll around and then suddenly get back up *Coughs* Drogba.
Denilson and Arsenal were in possession when he went down and there was absolutely no Everton threat at all he had a couple of easy passes he could've made but he just went down without the opposition anywhere near him. I'm quite sure that to kick the ball out was the sporting thing to do in that circumstance seeing as nobody even touched him. Why would he do that for dramatic effect when it brings nobody any advantage?
If a player goes down in that manner then how can a referee tell in a split second whether the player is feigning or not? He can't. So I'd say if it's off the ball and the player goes down then the ball is played out or immediately stopped. If it's a rough tackle and the player goes down rolling around like a drama queen then the physio's come on and take a look while play commences.
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