They don’t turn into dross. The money taps keep increasing or they end up leaving. There’s significant performance related pay they can get as well. In tech you wouldn’t get anyone for £25k. We pay the interns more.
Entitlement what can we do about it.
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But they could. That's the nature of humanity. If they're only there for the money you have a serious cultural issue.
No, that's not what I am saying. I am saying there's already difficulty employing staff, due to low wages. If you gave me 25k today, I'd probably not have bothered with engineering and go into other sectors instead.
Plus the prove you are worth thing doesn't work really... Most companies you have to leave before getting what you deserve..
I have no difficulty employing staff. The prove you are worth it thing works perfectly on defined graduate schemes with goals and gateways.
We’re not finance so there’s never the just being there for money. People are there because they are passionate but even if you are passionate about something and could get more money elsewhere doing the same thing you would do that.
Not really. You stressed they have to have the right culture earlier. That's the same for both sides of the coin.
I could get paid more, doing what I do, elsewhere but the culture of my workplace keeps me there.
Being paid more isn’t a replacement for culture. It’s also important for the business. I used to hear quite often in engineering that people don’t mind being paid less because the job satisfaction is higher. The work you do and the culture is certainly a major contributor to that. It’s another reason why I would not go into finance.
What would you say to a grad on 25k who is demotivated and raises the point that they are mathematically screwed in relation to previous generations?
That they are welcome to leave at any point. Or they can stfu, prove themselves, hit their next gateway and attain a payrise.
Do they know you are spamming a PC forum in work time?
Seeing as I'm off today...not really a problem sunshine.
What field do you work in?
FTFY - pretty sure you've managed to come to that conclusion on your own while sticking your fingers in your ears to what everyone else is saying.
What makes you so convinced that regression isn't to be expected at some point? Do you believe that despite an ever increasing population wanting more, more, more from limited resources, it is possible for everyone in the world's quality of life to improve all of the time?
"Everyone else" is you and Dis86.
Hang on, I have to come back to this. You believe that new people entering the workforce should just be happy to be disadvantaged compared to all of the rest of the living adult generations and that simply not wanting that to be the case is "entitlement". At the end of the day, they will take the jobs they can get, but wanting different is not entitlement. You are not likely to see these grads on the dole.
Amazing. Absolutely amazing.
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I go on the forums every day. It's the first tab I open at work. I'm allowed to do what I want, I WFH on my own devices.
Bite me.
Don't try and put words in my mouth, I never said they should be "happy" about it. Merely pointing out that reality often doesn't align with what you might want, and there are 2 ways to approach that. Complain like an child, or work out what you can do about it. Expecting reality to conform with your expectations rather than the other way round absolutely is entitlement.
Nope. You've reached that on your own. The two are independent of one another.
So what is it then? If it's not happiness, and they're not allowed to want the opposite, is it complete apathy that they must display?
I'm astounded by the need to denigrate young people as entitled in a post like OP, seemingly triggered by an article in which the results of a survey say people want more money, as if it's this comes as some kind of surprise. If you ask pensioners in a survey whether they think pensions should be higher they'd say exactly the same.
To go back to the original linked article the title of which is Cost of living: University graduates want higher starting salaries - and many would take up side hustles to earn extra cash
The first guy saying "I want to get paid what I'm worth" is laughable, granted, but in fact, he has a side hustle anyway, so he IS doing something about supplementing his income. We don't even know what he's studying, so we don't know what his skills are worth in the market, we don't know where he's been looking. The company I spent 14 years at currently hires at between 28-32k for new grads, so 30k is not unreasonable. So he is meeting the challenge head on and says what's generally on offer is "OK". Not really entitled. The other girl in the article also has a side hustle, she's also putting the work in.
The original post is just a mindless rant. So what if the guy makes money from writing about Lego? There's a market for it and he's making money. OP just has (another) axe to grind.
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You can always tell someone doesn't have an argument when they have to take it to extremes.
If you're happy with what you've got, great.
If you're not happy with what you've got then your options are:
- Learn to be happy with it
- Do something about it
- Moan about how life isn't fair
The problem isn't wanting something, it's expecting it, and blaming "someone else" when they don't get it - be that money, a nice job, new car, big house, whatever.
I want to be surrounded by a harem of bikini clad young women tending to my every needs. Doesn't mean I get to expect it, and when I don't get it, have the right to moan that "someone else" isn't making it happen.
Like you've acknowledged, saying "I want to get paid what I'm worth" is meaningless, as clearly he IS getting paid what he's worth. The key thing to bear in mind is that "what I'm worth" and "what I think I'm worth" aren't necessarily the same thing
And yes, you're absolutely right, the examples in the OP aren't great, as they've gone with option 2.
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