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chrcoluk said:
sometimes competitionis a bad thing.

e.g. which is better

skysports + added inclusive EPL channel that had the games that BT now owns for same price
or skysports + paying extra for BT for what used to be the inclusive EPL channel.

another example

movie a,b,c,d,e all on netflix for 7.9 a month, but disney own movie B, starz owns movie E, and the company that owns movie A decides to move it to amazon films as amazon outbid netflix. The other two decide to start their own service.

so suddenly to get access to movies a,b,c,d,e you pay netflix 7.99 + pay starz + pay amazon + pay disney

Both steam and netflix in their competitionless forms were reducing piracy for sure, I think we deffo going to see movie piracy rise, games is less certian but I think its not as good situation for pc gaming as say 5 years ago.

I would say it benefits content creators but not consumers.
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Above may be true but its not relevant to this discussion because steam is not a subs service. You don't have to pay more to buy from 3 different shops rather than 1.

It would be more comparable to saying you don't want Sainsbury's or Asda but only want Tesco's to exist.
 
bigmike20vt said:
Above may be true but its not relevant to this discussion because steam is not a subs service. You don't have to pay more to buy from 3 different shops rather than 1.

It would be more comparable to saying you don't want Sainsbury's or Asda but only want Tesco's to exist.
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You're right it's not a subs service, but I think what they have said still has some relevance, as it shows examples of where increased competition hasn't actually been good for the consumer, quite the opposite infact.

The thing is, at the moment most games are available on steam and they clearly have a very dominant position, but keys are available from loads of places and competition drives down prices. So competition is actually really good (for consumers anyway, maybe not for publishers).

However with Epics model it seems they are going for exclusives which you can only buy from their store, so no competition on prices for those particular games, buy from Epic or don't play.

If others decide to set up similar stores, each with their own exclusives and each only selling the game themselves, then I think we'll be worse of as consumers.

That Tesco example definitely doesn't work.
 
mark43 said:
However with Epics model it seems they are going for exclusives which you can only buy from their store, so no competition on prices for those particular games, buy from Epic or don't play.

If others decide to set up similar stores, each with their own exclusives and each only selling the game themselves, then I think we'll be worse of as consumers.

That Tesco example definitely doesn't work.
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And if they are the only ones selling it through their own platform they haven't got to take into consideration third party seller/man in the middle fee's so, in theory, could actually offer lower prices and still make more profit per sale. They won't, but they could.
 
now we have a games company wanting to release their own console, when ps5 is launched, I definitely feel things are getting too crowded, and with the stagnation of game design from AAA companies, we sort of repeating what caused the 1980s game crash.
 
mark43 said:
You're right it's not a subs service, but I think what they have said still has some relevance, as it shows examples of where increased competition hasn't actually been good for the consumer, quite the opposite infact.

The thing is, at the moment most games are available on steam and they clearly have a very dominant position, but keys are available from loads of places and competition drives down prices. So competition is actually really good (for consumers anyway, maybe not for publishers).

However with Epics model it seems they are going for exclusives which you can only buy from their store, so no competition on prices for those particular games, buy from Epic or don't play.

If others decide to set up similar stores, each with their own exclusives and each only selling the game themselves, then I think we'll be worse of as consumers.

That Tesco example definitely doesn't work.
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yep as I said exclusives is anti consumer.
 
bigmike20vt said:
Above may be true but its not relevant to this discussion because steam is not a subs service. You don't have to pay more to buy from 3 different shops rather than 1.

It would be more comparable to saying you don't want Sainsbury's or Asda but only want Tesco's to exist.
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When fable 3 got launched.

One dlc was exclusive to game uk
Another DLC was exclusive to amazon
Another DLC was exclusive to shopto.

It can lead to this problem having multiple shop fronts.
 
What Remains of Edith Finch is a pretty sweet get. I must confess I'm still waiting on something that will actually get me to give them money yet, but bravo on the quality of games they given us so far.

chrcoluk said:
When fable 3 got launched.

One dlc was exclusive to game uk
Another DLC was exclusive to amazon
Another DLC was exclusive to shopto.

It can lead to this problem having multiple shop fronts.
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Don't have to go that far back. FFXV had pre-order DLCs for several stores. Even the windows store got its own!
 
yeah I didnt mention ff15 as I think (but not 100% sure) the exclusive was timed only, meaning you can buy them for a nominal fee as DLC now, and are also included in the new steam windows edition.

I just double checked, and you was right on launch, as there was new DLC made for the different PC stores, but I think the windows store bonus is now available on steam as a free mod addon.

However with fable 3, the exclusives were not timed exclusives, they were forever. This kind of practice from publisher's is the worst ever for me, making in game content exclusive to specific purchases and within certain time frames. I absolutely hate it with a passion.

RDR2 I believe has had it as a dev tweeted the DLC wont be available to buy in future.

I am currently in dispute with namco and coolshop who both dont seem to realise my strong position due to EU sales law. I purchased ni no kuni II prince edition from coolshop a physical copy, this game has a £25 premium over the standard version (£70 premium now in most retailers hence using the unknown coolshop), and the sole reason I got it was a exclusive equipment pack some in game items. I already lost out on the pre order weapons. The pre order weapons there is the usual who say "dont worry there is like 100 or so weapons in game what difference does an extra five make", but those who analysed the weapons have clearly shown they are special and unique, and anyone who didnt preorder and buys the console version wont get these weapons but they can be obtained via cheat engine on the steam version at least. But anyway the prince edition DLC is another DLC pack (there is also a 3rd for this game that is exclusive to an even more expensive version of the game), I got the game in the post from coolshop, was shrinkwrapped, it had the season pass DLC code but no prince equipment DLC code, if the DLC could be purchased I would let it gom but it cannot. It is exclusive to this version of the game. I contacted namco, and after showing proof of purchase, I was expecting them to hand over a DLC code job done, its the logical solution, but instead they told me to go to the retailer, which was utterly stupid, since the code is supposed to be in the game how can the retailer solve it. I went to coolshop, who have simply ignored my query. They perhaps think because I opened the game, redeemed the season pass DLC they have my money and I am screwed , nope, a simple chargeback and I get my money back and still have the game, both themselves and namco are doing themselves no favours.

So its looking likely now I will do the chargeback, probably sell the game since I wont play it if I cannot get the content, and get the standard cheapo steam version and hack in the DLC stuff via cheat engine.
 
I don't know why people are glad for the competition, it's not like we will benefit with lower prices. Epic and Steam are just going to be like Playstation and Xbox with exclusivity deals. This was one of the things I always hated about console and now it has arrived on PC in full force.

It's not so bad if a new game is brought exclusively to one store, but I hate it when I have a few games in a series and then the last game is exclusive to another store, like what has happened with The Walking Dead's 4th game. Anyone that already owns it on Steam will get the last episodes, but you can no longer buy it on Steam as it's now exclusive to Epic :rolleyes:.


Is there something that exists where you can put all your game launcher account details in and then it combines all your games libarys, friends lists and achievements etc into one nice looking dashboard? That would be a great way to solve this issue if it's even possible. I just want to load up one app and have everything in one place.
 
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Cosmic Schwung said:
The Division 2 will only be on Uplay and Epic at launch.

This one's curious because it's likely Ubisoft would have been able to negotiate a bigger cut for themselves on steam so the benefit of leaving it behind doesn't make as much sense.
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Why would I bother getting on Epic when it's likely to run through Uplay anyway like previous titles on Steam ?

The only reason I've ever bought ubi games on Steam is during the sales where the price has occassionally been better but the last few sales it's been cheaper straight through ubi especially with the ability to convert the rewards tokens from playing games into a 20% off voucher that stacks on top of the sale price

It does seem strange but I guess Ubi feel they don't need to advertise on Steam any more and get a piece of that market at the cost of the fee to Steam as most now know about Uplay and will have accounts so I presume Ubi's end goal is to try and capture people from the Fortnite market who may be oblivious to what Ubi has to offer :confused:
 
Mark A said:
I don't know why people are glad for the competition, it's not like we will benefit with lower prices. Epic and Steam are just going to be like Playstation and Xbox with exclusivity deals. This was one of the things I always hated about console and now it has arrived on PC in full force.

It's not so bad if a new game is brought exclusively to one store, but I hate it when I have a few games in a series and then the last game is exclusive to another store, like what has happened with The Walking Dead's 4th game. Anyone that already owns it on Steam will get the last episodes, but you can no longer buy it on Steam as it's now exclusive to Epic :rolleyes:.


Is there something that exists where you can put all your game launcher account details in and then it combines all your games libarys, friends lists and achievements etc into one nice looking dashboard? That would be a great way to solve this issue if it's even possible. I just want to load up one app and have everything in one place.
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Who is pushing for this exclusivity, because if it is epic its anti consumer and a dick move.

So think of what would happen if the game was on steam "and" epic.

Many people now know the publisher takes a bigger cut on epic.

Meaning they would expect the game to be discounted on epic, if it was not it would be seen as publisher greed, if it was the same price as steam. Hence me thinking epic get it removed so that comparison cannot be made, also I expect most people would buy off steam anyway, hence them having to pull this stunt to try and get sales.

I still wont be touching the epic store.

I dont even buy games of origin or uplay and both those publishers are big name studios been around for a decade plus, I never heard of epic before their one hit wonder. The store could be gone in a year.
 
Bishie said:
I had the The Division, but I won't be touching the sequel! Removing it from Steam was the nail in the coffin tbh. Many who were on the fence won't even consider it now. This Reddit thread has blown up about it!

Also:

Video Game Company, Epic Games, has “F” Rating with BBB
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Cant say that it bothers me at all, and certainly not enough to cut my nose off to spite my face by not playing The Division 2 given how many hundreds of hours I enjoyed of The Division 1. Played Division 1 on uplay and will play Division 2 on uplay, so absolutely no impact on me at all :)
 
If you want people to use one DRM method over another, then I would prefer to be given a choice and them give me a reason to choose one over another. Better features would be one way, a discount would be another. That's competition, otherwise it's just restriction/monopolisation.

Locking out resellers/DRM platforms is anti-competitive.
 
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